cheewai_m6 Posted September 18, 2009 Share #21 Posted September 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) i've got an m6 as well. the 35mm i use is a summicron from 1975, is that a version 2? or version 3? non asph. the photos from that lens is still amazing and you won't disappointed. obviously if you have a seasoned eye, the new gear is better but, for the price i can afford and for the results, you can't complain about an older leica lens. my opinion is, if you're making a step to leica, then get leica lenses. don't compromise with other options. you'll never be happy till you get a leica lens anyway, and it's worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pipeclayed Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share #22 Posted September 18, 2009 Hi, I'm going to take the plunge and go for the M6 in the next week or two. But now I am having second thoughts about the lens. Two issues really: 1. I like to shoot quite a lot of night-time stuff (plus it'll soon be dark when I get out of work), so I'm thinking it might be worth going with the Summilux for the extra stop. Or do I just load up faster film and be done with it? 2. If I do decide on the Summicron, is the ASPH worth the money or is the pre-ASPH pretty much just as good? Obviously that's a subjective question, but having looked at a few samples of each I'm quite torn... Any thoughts or comments about either issue would be more than welcome! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iShutterbug Posted September 18, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 18, 2009 I'm just a retired amateur getting back into the Leica genre of my heyday and I more or less asked that same question. I stretched my budget a lot and got a (screwmount) 35mm Summicron ASPH and am really glad I did--and I'm using it with 50-year-old-plus bodies and my wife says "keep it." Previous to that I had purchased a 35 Summicron M verson 4 "bokeh king"--and had to get a Voigtlander Bessa R3A with M-mount to test it with--and was underwhelmed with the results so I sold it. http://www.photoblog.com/ishutterbug/2008/12/30/busch-gardens-tampa.html IMHO once you own an aspherical lens and get a uniformly sharp image from corner to corner (much like a macro lens) you will judge every other picture by that standard, especially so since aspherical is becoming the standard with every other manufacturer. And I much prefer the "bokeh" of the aspherical Summicron over the pre-asph versions. With my asph lens I feel I get "real" pictures that can compete with anything out there--making the hassle of shooting film more worth it. My other older lenses are in the "artsy" category when I have the time and inclination for that exercise. Here are some recent examples: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/landscape-travel/98384-last-ferry.html#post1034736 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/landscape-travel/99132-39-steps.html#post1043908 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/landscape-travel/98390-river-seine-play.html#post1034775 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/sports-leisure-time/98094-galleria-ferrari.html#post1031231 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Manning Posted September 18, 2009 Share #24 Posted September 18, 2009 I posted this before, but I think the Zeiss T* Biogon 35/2 is a great lens. It's very sharp wide open, has one third-stop increments, and has nine elements (very resistant to flare). It's about as advanced, lens-wise, as they come. AND...produces nice images. Here are a couple of examples: What it looks like on the M6: Hope this bit of info helps with your decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wen Posted September 18, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 18, 2009 David...lovely images.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Manning Posted September 18, 2009 Share #26 Posted September 18, 2009 Thanks It's a great lens. My eyes, though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 20, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... you can't complain about an older leica lens. my opinion is, if you're making a step to leica, then get leica lenses. don't compromise with other options. you'll never be happy till you get a leica lens anyway, and it's worth it. If you can't complain about an older Leica lens, why dismiss some of the modern competition which cost less and technically outperform older Leica? If you endorse the asph then you are endorsing technical performance and not that 'artsy feel' as someone else put it, in which case the modern biogons and CVs become contenders. In what ways are the other options compromises? Its funny, because this implies something seriously lacking in other brands, which is not necessarily the case (esp if you are not putting all your emphasis on wide open performance and also consider overall cost). Leica cameras don't squeal if you put on a non-Leica lens. They don't complain at all. They perform just fine... just as they did for HC-B when he used a Zeiss 50 on his! If a person is completely brand driven, of course they will not be satisfied by a non-Leica lens, but this is the test IMHO to determine whether you are a photographer first and camera collector second or the other way round. If driven by the photograph and a desire to produce great photos it does not take long to realise there are many non-Leica options out there either as a stop gap or permanent solution to your imaging problems. Only the gear fetishist would seriously recommend that a person buys the body and sits on it until he can afford a 35 asph, rather than get something less expensive to shoot with until such a time comes that he can make another decision going forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #28 Posted September 20, 2009 If you can't complain about an older Leica lens, why dismiss some of the modern competition which cost less and technically outperform older Leica? If you endorse the asph then you are endorsing technical performance and not that 'artsy feel' as someone else put it, in which case the modern biogons and CVs become contenders. In what ways are the other options compromises? Its funny, because this implies something seriously lacking in other brands, which is not necessarily the case (esp if you are not putting all your emphasis on wide open performance and also consider overall cost). Leica cameras don't squeal if you put on a non-Leica lens. They don't complain at all. They perform just fine... just as they did for HC-B when he used a Zeiss 50 on his! If a person is completely brand driven, of course they will not be satisfied by a non-Leica lens, but this is the test IMHO to determine whether you are a photographer first and camera collector second or the other way round. If driven by the photograph and a desire to produce great photos it does not take long to realise there are many non-Leica options out there either as a stop gap or permanent solution to your imaging problems. Only the gear fetishist would seriously recommend that a person buys the body and sits on it until he can afford a 35 asph, rather than get something less expensive to shoot with until such a time comes that he can make another decision going forwards. i love aston martins. i love an aston martin db9. but you know what? the new aston martin dbs is faster, has a newer engine, more technologically advanced. but i can't afford an aston martin dbs. but a mitsubishi evolution, it's cheaper, it goes around a track as fast as an aston martin db9 (or faster). but i don't want it, it's not an aston martin. same with leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 20, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 20, 2009 Buy cheap, buy twice .... Only problem with that advice is that it ain't necessarily true... I had a v4 Summicron 35mm - the so-called "Bokeh King" - I sold it and bought a CV 35mm 2.5 Pancake. This lens is far better suited to my personal style, and I prefer the handling. It has an added benefit of being LTM - I can fit it on my II - something I cannot do with M-mount lenses. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick De Marco Posted September 20, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 20, 2009 I'm interested in your comment Bill. I too have the 35 cron pre-asph version IV and it is probably my favourite lens. However I recently bought the CV 35mm Color-Skopar f2.5 version II (so can only use it on my Ms). I like it because of its tiny size, and it is easy to use. Although not a lot smaller than the cron, I am happier to use it without a hood which makes a difference. So for me it is a good travel lens and my results so far from this lens have pleased me a lot. Not sure I would say I prefer it to the cron (yet), but interested as to why you do. And here is a pic of it on my M6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strevo Posted September 21, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 21, 2009 I bought an M6 after selling all my digital gear. I had enough for an M6 and a voigtlander 35mm PII. This is a great wee lens and produced lovely images. Though I did sell it to buy a faster lens and got the VC 35mm f1.4 Nokton. This is a beauty, even sharp wide open. I'm suitably impressed with VC lenses so I also recently got a Voigtlander 15mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 22, 2009 Share #32 Posted September 22, 2009 i love aston martins. i love an aston martin db9. but you know what? the new aston martin dbs is faster, has a newer engine, more technologically advanced. but i can't afford an aston martin dbs. but a mitsubishi evolution, it's cheaper, it goes around a track as fast as an aston martin db9 (or faster). but i don't want it, it's not an aston martin. same with leica. Sure... but if your goal was to get around the track as fast as possible within budget and you regarded the car merely as a tool (and you could not afford an Aston), you would likely get an Evo, right? If your goal is to own only an Aston Martin, I can understand why the Evo would not appeal. From reading the OP it seems clear that he/she cannot afford an asph cron, but is looking for an alternative lens until the asph is obtainable. That sounds awfully like a person who is more concerned with getting in some track time right now, while waiting, than aspiring to the the marque as the sole end state. OP posted again below. If it is about car/lens fondling of course the person should wait for the asph, but by virtue of the question being asked it is surely evident that the OP wishes to use something in the meantime: Hi all I'm thinking of purchasing an M6 - have seen some fairly good prices and am waiting to find one that's irresistible. The problem is that I am stretching my budget a little with the camera. I'll probably end up selling a DSLR lens or two to get it. But then my dream lens is the 35mm asph. Obviously that's more than the camera... So I was wondering if anyone could recommend a suitable alternative until I can afford the Leica lens? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmarkham Posted October 23, 2009 Share #33 Posted October 23, 2009 Why not get an older Leitz screw mount lens and an adaptor to fit the M6? The coated Summitars rock and can be had for about the same cost as a new CV Skopar. The Summitar is faster and has a signature that is amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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