adan Posted September 3, 2009 Share #21 Posted September 3, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) "`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected. `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' " -- from Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Hi adan, Take a look here Looks like Leica *is* staying away from Micro 4/3rds. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ho_co Posted September 3, 2009 Share #22 Posted September 3, 2009 Don't overlook "sagittal." Oh, and WRT confusing technical specs: US Panasonic web site (http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Digital-Cameras/Lumix-Digital-Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/model.DMC-GF1C-K_11002_7000000000000005702) refers to the ...bright F1.7/20mm (35mm camera equivalent: 40mm) fixed focus lens .... [emphasis added] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted September 3, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 3, 2009 Fixed focus, huh? That sure sounds inconvenient... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted September 3, 2009 Share #24 Posted September 3, 2009 Don't overlook "sagittal." Off on a tangent are we??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 4, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 4, 2009 Fixed focus, huh? That sure sounds inconvenient... Particularly so when you consider the further description (same page): This lens uses a lens drive system to enable a compact and bright F1.7. As a result of this, operating sounds are recorded when auto-focusing during motion picture recording. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko101 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #26 Posted September 4, 2009 Ah back in my day when shooting motion picture, we would have a focus puller! Yes, that's what I need. I will hire someone to wander around with me to pull focus on my 20mm lens. No but it does look like Leica are staying away from it a bit like the someone who may have the plague. They're not quite sure yet and will wait until the results come back from the lab or to stop this rather useless similie, if people buy m43. But I see them getting involved to the same or less extent than with 4/3. I don't see them rebranding a camera mainly because they want to concentrate on their 'own' stuff, not Jap imports. I guess the 9/9 will tell... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted September 4, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm not so sure Leica is staying away from micro 4/3s. In partnership with Panasonic they seem to have produced a new lens for Panasonics G1, GH1 and Now GF1. This was on Panasonic's Lumix GF1 website. No mention of needing an adapter. LUMIX G Micro System Lens | PRODUCTS | LUMIX | Digital Camera | Panasonic Global Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95205-looks-like-leica-is-staying-away-from-micro-43rds/?do=findComment&comment=1017426'>More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 4, 2009 Share #28 Posted September 4, 2009 I'm not so sure Leica is staying away from micro 4/3s. In partnership with Panasonic they seem to have produced a new lens for Panasonics G1, GH1 and Now GF1. This was on Panasonic's Lumix GF1 website. No mention of needing an adapter. LUMIX G Micro System Lens | PRODUCTS | LUMIX | Digital Camera | Panasonic Global This is what we were told: 1) Leica is not going to offer mFT cameras 2) Leica may offer mFT lenses 3) Leica feels mFT sensor size is a very limiting factor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayoflight Posted September 4, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 4, 2009 Well, the latest rumor says that the Leica X1 will have a 4000x3000 12MP Live MOS. A Micro 4/3 camera, wow! Leica changed its mind in the meantime :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 4, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 4, 2009 Well, the latest rumor says that the Leica X1 will have a 4000x3000 12MP Live MOS. A Micro 4/3 camera, wow! Leica changed its mind in the meantime :-) No. Those specs were simply copied from the GF1 spec sheet by someone trying to be clever. The X1 is not a mFT camera. It does not even have interchangeable lenses. It is a fixed-lens point and shoot. Those specs are bogus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko101 Posted September 5, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 5, 2009 I'm not so sure Leica is staying away from micro 4/3s. In partnership with Panasonic they seem to have produced a new lens for Panasonics G1, GH1 and Now GF1. This was on Panasonic's Lumix GF1 website. No mention of needing an adapter. LUMIX G Micro System Lens | PRODUCTS | LUMIX | Digital Camera | Panasonic Global The extent to which Leica has any involvement in these products is debatable. Panasonic's own websites say The Leica DC lenses are manufactured using measurement instruments and quality assurance systems that have been certified by Leica Camera AG based on the company's quality standards. Which doesn't really mean that much. I wouldn't take a Leica branding on a macro lens to be a sign that they're embracing Micro 4/3 any more than they did with standard 4/3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayoflight Posted September 5, 2009 Share #32 Posted September 5, 2009 No. Those specs were simply copied from the GF1 spec sheet by someone trying to be clever. The X1 is not a mFT camera. It does not even have interchangeable lenses. It is a fixed-lens point and shoot. Those specs are bogus. Neither I could see a lens release button in the picture. This was suspicious / dubious. Then my only complaint is a faster f2 lens... But anyway, it seems like a good walk-around camera for candid shots as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 5, 2009 Share #33 Posted September 5, 2009 In the new Leica brochure (the PDF has been posted on the forum a couple of times today, but quickly removed) the X1 is listed as a new compact camera and the description says "it is equiped with a CMOS sensor equal in size to that of many DSLR cameras". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
auvergne Posted September 5, 2009 Share #34 Posted September 5, 2009 Well, that's nice. Tangential also means: 1. Barely connected to or touching a subject; 2. Moving away from a subject when speaking, writing or the like; digressing; diverging. Can we get back to cameras? Leicas, specifically. And m4:3rds? This "sub-thread" is really tangential to the original topic! The very french trivial sentence will be "prendre la tangente" for to escape or being tangential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 9, 2009 Share #35 Posted September 9, 2009 By this calculation, "life-size" (1:1) is different depending on the size of one's camera. One could argue that the meaning of “1:1” did always depend on the camera (actually image) size and that the 35 mm equivalent figures serve to make the magnification factor independent of image size. The magnification is a useful measure as long as we are concerned about depth of field; DOF directly depends on magnification, independently of the image size. But what arguably most people care for foremost is more like: Can I shoot this little bug so that it fills the frame completely? And the answer clearly depends on the image size. If the magnification of the lens is 1:1, a camera with a 35 mm sensor will capture an area measuring 36 mm x 24 mm, an APS-C camera 23.6 mm x 15.8 mm (Nikon) or 22.3 mm x 14.9 mm (Canon), and a (Micro) FourThirds camera will capture 17.3 mm x 13 mm. A compact digicam with a sensor size like that of the C-Lux 3 would capture just 6.1 mm x 4.6 mm. So to answer the simple question about the area captured at 1:1 (or any other given magnification), you have to know the sensor size. I guess that most owners of compact digicams have absolutely no idea about sensor size, and quite a few FourThirds or APS-C photographers would scratch their head when asked about the exact dimensions of the sensor. Providing equivalent magnification figures to aid in judging whether the above-mentioned small bug will fill the frame does make some sense, I believe, just like providing 35 mm equivalent focal lengths makes sense. It goes without saying that the real figures have to be published as well, and it also wouldn’t hurt providing an explanation of when and how the real and the 35 mm equivalent values should be applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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