Overgaard Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share #41 Posted September 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Doug, What I actually feel is that the S2 is the answer. I'm just not willing to put up the fee for a house and a two lens starter kit right now where the DMR does the job very well. I'll most likely get a M9 next week as I think the IQ might even surpass the DMR (I hope so!) and I can do most of my stuff within 90mm. But I can't see myself shooting only M in the future, and the only other camera I like is the Nikon 3Dx (but not their lenses). So S2 is the future R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteveYork Posted September 4, 2009 Share #42 Posted September 4, 2009 They also lost all the M users 40 years ago to japanese SLR-cameras. But they still hang around on the street corners lusting to get back to Leica. The same goes for the R users. ..... Not if they have sold off all of there R lenses. My point was simply that if one of the nine products is going to be marketed as a solution for R users, then it would have been wise for Leica to pre-announce this product. It may have retained some of the R customer base. I don't think your M analogy is very good, because the operation of an M is so unique and Leica optics back then were still a step ahead of most everything else. In the current digital terrain, I don't think it matters what company a person uses, at least most of the time, and at least for amateurs. I'm actually in agreement with you that I'll believe in an R solution when I see it. I'm just very happy with my Leicaflex. They may even send my last M packing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted September 4, 2009 Share #43 Posted September 4, 2009 Thorsten, how do you (actually we, I include myself) really feel about it? Honestly, you'll get no argument from me. I care much more about light, color quality, composition, timing and precision craftsmanship than about frame rates, bloated files and passable approximations of good focus. Each time I open a new file made with the DMR two things happen: 1) I have to clean drool off the computer's keyboard - 10MP never looked so gorgeous 2) I have to clean tears off the computer's keyboard, knowing that the DMR is the end of the line. As the old saying goes, beginners are concerned with equipment, amateurs with composition, and experts with light. And to a certain extent. that's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted September 4, 2009 Share #44 Posted September 4, 2009 As the old saying goes, beginners are concerned with equipment, amateurs with composition, and experts with light. And to a certain extent. that's true. If the equipment fetish people have the money to buy Leica this doesn't apply, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 4, 2009 Share #45 Posted September 4, 2009 What I actually feel is that the S2 is the answer. It may be for many R users, but for my own use it might not be (aside from the cost). The features and specification that concern me include: Size and weight of the equipment, particularly in rough terrain. The R8 with DMR is about my upper limit. No lenses (yet) longer than the planned 350mm APO-Telyt-S. This lens would provide a field of view equivalent to a 280mm lens on a 24mm x 36mm camera. I LOVE this field of view but I often need something longer. No extension tubes (yet). Very important for me. Wildlife is more difficult to approach with bigger lenses, apparently the size of the entrance pupil is the determining factor. Using a 350mm f/3.5 on the S2 will be more difficult than using a 280mm f/4 on a 24mm x 36mm camera because it will be more difficult to get close enough. The S2's responsiveness is an unknown. Anything less responsive than an R8 or SL will be a problem. The S2 viewfinder's suitability for manual focus is another unknown. Focus-lock-recompose-expose is not acceptable, likewise composition dictated by the camera's focussing point is unacceptable. Even with all these concerns the S2's big Kodak CCD and the APO lenses are a HUGE draw. Back on topic, is Apple is making a big announcement on the same day? If so, is this a coincidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted September 4, 2009 Share #46 Posted September 4, 2009 This might be through development of the S2 into a secondhand market for S2 cameras in the coming years, as well as one or more Baby S2 cameras. I still think that an R10 on 10/10/10 (with an M10) is a possibility. but I agree that the S2 is the future somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share #47 Posted September 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I No lenses (yet) longer than the planned 350mm APO-Telyt-S. This lens would provide a field of view equivalent to a 280mm lens on a 24mm x 36mm camera. I LOVE this field of view but I often need something longer. No extension tubes (yet). Very important for me. Back on topic, is Apple is making a big announcement on the same day? If so, is this a coincidence? they may come with tubes + extenders. Somehow they seem to have forgotten your birds and have their eye on fashion shooters mainly. But it will come, I hope. The Apple event is about music, iPod and such. The iPod may include a camera, but that is all they should have in common. Apart from the nice fact that Leica seem to have looked to Apple how to introduce new products (say nothing, tease them, release and deliver). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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