JackTheRipper Posted August 29, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm in a heavy debate with myself over the D-lux 4... can someone please take an object at a far off distance, like a house... and take 2 pictures, one with no zoom at all, and one with the 2.5x zoom and post it on here for me? my closest leica dealer is 3 hours away and I'm a big noob and would love to see what the 2.5x zoom looks like... I'd really appreciate it... thanks so much Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 29, 2009 Posted August 29, 2009 Hi JackTheRipper, Take a look here someone with a D-Lux 4, I need a favor!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Julian Thompson Posted August 30, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 30, 2009 Please relax about the zoom. When you zoom in a lot of things happen that you're not taking into account: 1) You compress the depth of field which means that the objects in the far distance behind the object you are zooming to appear much closer. Zooming is NOT like getting closer to the subject. 2) You have to hold the camera more steady. If you can't get access to a tripod then that means you need a higher shutter speed which means if you're marginal on light you might need a wider aperture or a higher ISO setting or even both - all this influences your final picture very greatly. 3) If you are not intending to print massive sized prints then if you get stuck wishing you had more telephoto you can always crop to focus and still end up with a great shot at a smaller size. Hell, if you only ever used to get 5x7 inch prints from your processor then you can crop like mad with something at 10 odd megapixels and get great 'zooms' ! 4) Please stop worrying and buy the most manual camera you can. This will help your photography, which means that retrospectively it will be your best decision. Something like the Dlux 4 or the Ricoh GRDII (with NO zoom!) would be a great choice. However, if you can then get an M8 and a 35mm lens or similar and I swear you won't look back... Good Luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferry Zievinger Posted August 30, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 30, 2009 Give me a sec, I'll post these for you 1st shot @ 1X (no zoom at all) 2nd shot @ 4.5X zoom I hope that this is what you wanted to see. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/94854-someone-with-a-d-lux-4-i-need-a-favor/?do=findComment&comment=1010475'>More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted August 30, 2009 thanks so much Julian and FMZ! I know I'm obsessing about zoom, but from the pics FMZ posted, I really do believe I would be happy with that much zoom!!! and like you said, since it's 10 mp, I can definitely crop and zoom in... thanks again guys! Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted August 30, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 30, 2009 90% of shots taken with a zoo are at its widest end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor1 Posted August 30, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 30, 2009 Hi Jack, The camera takes such a sharp picture that cropping makes up for the limited zoom. Below is a shot from a Russian concert I attended sitting about 60 rows back. The first is shot is the entire group and the second shows a crop highlighting the dancers. I am very pleased with the results. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/94854-someone-with-a-d-lux-4-i-need-a-favor/?do=findComment&comment=1010888'>More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted August 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) thank you very much for the pictures! you guys and gals are soooo nice! I am beginning to LOVE this forum! I can't wait to be a Leica owner too!!! Jack :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 30, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 30, 2009 We're gonna wait for you! BTW, welcome Jack! (apart from the scary nickname!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted August 31, 2009 one last question would I be happier with a D-lux 4 rather than a M6? I know the M6 is film, but which would take nicer pics you think? I really hope they come out with a D-lux 5 on the 9th, that would be awesome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 31, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 31, 2009 Carlos--Okay, I see accordions. But I don't see any balalaikas. So what makes you think these guys were Russkis? And remember, this is a (bala)Laika forum, so we don't need no stinkin' fake Russkis! Nice shot. I often wish I had a longer zoom on the D-Lux 4, but you're right, there's a lot of room to work with what you get from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
regedit Posted August 31, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 31, 2009 one last question would I be happier with a D-lux 4 rather than a M6? I know the M6 is film, but which would take nicer pics you think? I really hope they come out with a D-lux 5 on the 9th, that would be awesome! what makes you happy is something that only you and your soul-mate knows.everybody is happy with something else. personally i'll be happy to have both an m6 and a d-lux4 and this tells something about me. you should know better what makes you happy. anyway, have fun with your future leica camera, whatever the choice is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Thompson Posted August 31, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 31, 2009 My God! The M6 and the Dlux 4 are chalk and cheese - the M6 gives you access to the stable to M lenses but remember that even using non Leica M sized glass means you'll need to spend ££ to cover a sensible range of focal lengths - and no zoom :-)) M6 will teach you about taking photo's though - 100% ! If you are prepared to consider film then I think you're open minded enough to consider compacts like the DP1, DP2 or GRDII or GRDIII and then once you've got 'into it' look at an M8 - remember that with the M9 round the corner used M8/.2 values are set to fall so that might be a great way in? If you're not sure about any of the above just get the DLux 4. I've not yet heard of anyone who has bought one who does not like that camera. It wouldn't be my choice as I don't like the menus and plethora of buttons and also I am unconvinced that the camera is anything other than a rebadged Panasonic but at the end of the day you get better resale, the same great Leica inspired lens and an extra length warranty for your slightly larger investment so it's certainly not to be sniffed at. Best of luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted August 31, 2009 yea, thanks I know what you mean... I'd love an M8, and I'm hoping when the M9 is introduced, the price will fall significantly... I'd love to have a very nice camera... Then again, I'm also hoping for something in between the D-lux 4 and M8... something like a D-lux 5... So as others hope for an M9, I'm hoping Leica will remember us average joes... by the way, the case on the D-lux 4 is soooo sweet compared to the M8's ;-)... do you think the M8 is overkill for a noob like myself? I'm just wanting a great camera that takes excellent pics when I travel... thanks! Jack My God! The M6 and the Dlux 4 are chalk and cheese - the M6 gives you access to the stable to M lenses but remember that even using non Leica M sized glass means you'll need to spend ££ to cover a sensible range of focal lengths - and no zoom :-)) M6 will teach you about taking photo's though - 100% ! If you are prepared to consider film then I think you're open minded enough to consider compacts like the DP1, DP2 or GRDII or GRDIII and then once you've got 'into it' look at an M8 - remember that with the M9 round the corner used M8/.2 values are set to fall so that might be a great way in? If you're not sure about any of the above just get the DLux 4. I've not yet heard of anyone who has bought one who does not like that camera. It wouldn't be my choice as I don't like the menus and plethora of buttons and also I am unconvinced that the camera is anything other than a rebadged Panasonic but at the end of the day you get better resale, the same great Leica inspired lens and an extra length warranty for your slightly larger investment so it's certainly not to be sniffed at. Best of luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted August 31, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 31, 2009 I find myself wondering if the sample zoom shots are a combination of optical and digital zoom. I suspect it is both. The digital zoom throws away the pixels from all sides of the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted August 31, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 31, 2009 one last question would I be happier with a D-lux 4 rather than a M6? I know the M6 is film, but which would take nicer pics you think? I really hope they come out with a D-lux 5 on the 9th, that would be awesome! The M6 will almost certainly outlive the D-Lux-4 and prove to be a more powerful learning tool; but, at a cost. You cannot really compare the two cameras. If all you need for travel is a light compact camera, the DL4 should suit your needs. Its successor is hardly likely to be significantly different. Changes are incremental. If you can wait - wait and see what is announced on 9 Sep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Thompson Posted August 31, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 31, 2009 The M8 isn't overkill for a 'noob' - when you record an important moment like your child walking for the first time or something you don't get a second go when you're not a 'noob' - you need the best equipment you can afford and to have studied hard how to get the best from it. Both are important - you need the kit and the desire to learn how to get the best from it. The problem you have right now is that the key to the M8 is that it allows you to use the wonderful Leica M lenses, and it's damned expensive to get into that system. But it's worth it - if it helps here is my story.. I bought a Nikon D90 at the end of last year and got fed up with its size but enjoyed the outdoor results I was getting. At the time I was only half interested in photography - I had the D90 on 'auto mode' and could not for the life of me understand why my indoor photos looked the same as the ones I'd got used to seeing from my point and shoot camera - and why such a big camera had to use flash every time in the house..... I looked into it a bit and learned there is something called shutter speed and aperture setting.... then I realised that my lens only went to F3.6 or so - and that my autofocus wasn't so hot when it was not perfect light - and aaaah - best look for a lens with a bigger aperture.... and what's a 'non zoom lens?' - wouldn't I miss zoom terribly? Somehow - I came accross the M8.2 which seemed to be just what I wanted - a simple camera that had no 'multi-matrix metering' or 'bracketing' or this or that or the other - but it was still digital and the lens range had big apertures that would be ideal for indoor work.. Sounds great I'll get one - hang on - HOW MUCH?? Best read a bit more!! Anyway - a lot of reading later and I went for it and I've not looked back - I could now use that SLR much better if I wanted to (I don't!) because my non-zoom simple Leica camera has been like an in built photography course - I've loved every minute. I'm due to PX the M8.2 for an M9 soon, and I think I won't be alone so hopefully if cash is an issue you should be able to pick up an M8/2 or something at the right money. I am sure you won't regret it in any way except your bank balance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTheRipper Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share #17 Posted September 1, 2009 hey Julian, thanks for that post... I'm hoping the M8 will go down in price after Sept 9...and I hope a lot of you guys will be selling them for great prices to get the M9... if anyone wants to sell me an M8/2 let me know ! ;-)! thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenor1 Posted September 1, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 1, 2009 Hi Howard, The balaika players are on the right side of the orchestra. The close up picture shows someone playing the bayan, which is somewhat similar to the accordion. The bayan has buttons on both sides and does not have the piano-like keys on one side like the accordion. The instruments on the left side of the orchestra are domras. They have 4 double-sets of strings like a mandolin and also played like one. The balaika has only 3 strings. The group is called the St. Petersburg Russian Folk Orchestra started by some Russian friends of mine. My ethnic background is Russian, Portuguese and Chinese, but that's another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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