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[rob_x2004]

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[rob_x2004]

Well that is seriously funny. Maybe my other screen is going off.

I know Ive got this screen set up so I can see defects but that is rediculous.

[PhotoArchival]

haha. That's funny! I just got done reading this thread http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/about-leica-forum/95560-jpeg-bw-quality-forum.html about 15 minutes ago, and I find this. Seriously though, I'm laughing wit' you.

 

I like the angle you were going for. With the strong light and shadows. I've tried this with people. Was happy I exposed decent enough for the 'idea' and that I got close to what I wanted, but still had to do some post.

I can see you did very little 'painting', and the painting you did has nothing to do with 'creating' the shadows. So exposure is good in my book, too.

 

That kinda light makes a big difference for dramatic stuff if you can bottle it.

 

Interestingly enough, before I got closer to the screen, I thought that was natural dust flying round the stables. That's pretty neat!

 

Also, didn't know what to think about that white arm band. I put a thumb over it and I lost an anchor.

 

This'd be nice big. Like natural horse head size big.

 

Amado

 

edit: If I can see this like you, does that mean my monitor is in good grounds...or not, for PP.

[azzo]

Rob,

 

What are we supposed to be seeing here apart from the horse's head?

I mean, I can see the arm band and a faded arm. The 'flying' stuff too.

Were we not supposed to see these things?

 

This had happened to me. Posted images which I thought were OK but in fact weren't. Members pointed it out but I still couldn't see. Made a complete fool of myself ... ... !

In my case, the monitor was off.

[rob_x2004]

Well on my good screen all I see is the horse and the band, not the arm, you wouldnt know it wasnt horse tac. All the black in frame looked smooth. I looked back in later on this screen but it was after the edit time. If I swing the imac screen about I go from dust all over to black, so I was wondering what people see, obviously not what I wanted:D. Background was so black instead of cloning out the bad bits I just hit them with the erasor and wiped them out. So thats the explanation of the black smudges all over the place. Theres probably a difference in my editing during the day with the flood of natural, and late at night.

 

So Azzo, all you were sposed to see was smooth black, a contrasty half head black horse, and a tiny sickle of white:D. Ahh well.

Amado, I'm not sure any more. I often see other peoples editing marks that people with presumably properly calibrated monitors couldnt see, and to be honest I have the gamma up a bit on this screen so I can see them. Whether that makes it right or wrong. Was wondering about approaching admin for a sticky with swatches on colour balance and gamma for the site. Theres obviously a huge variation across members screens. Maybe its the sort of thing someone like Jamie Roberts could sort out.

 

Amusingly I wound up with this sort of stuff because my meter was dodgy and telling me I had more than adequate exposure. Because of the location there was so much light variation I didnt pick up the bad readings till I got back outside and the meter went 1/1000 x f/16 on everything I pointed it at. Ive got four rolls properly shanked. Not happy Jan, but that is another story.

[stuny]

Rob -

 

If you send me a copy (stuart.nordheimer@comcast.net) I can put the new version directly below the original.

[Jamie Roberts]

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Well on my good screen all I see is the horse and the band, not the arm, you wouldnt know it wasnt horse tac. All the black in frame looked smooth. I looked back in later on this screen but it was after the edit time. If I swing the imac screen about I go from dust all over to black, so I was wondering what people see, obviously not what I wanted:D. Background was so black instead of cloning out the bad bits I just hit them with the erasor and wiped them out. So thats the explanation of the black smudges all over the place. Theres probably a difference in my editing during the day with the flood of natural, and late at night.

 

So Azzo, all you were sposed to see was smooth black, a contrasty half head black horse, and a tiny sickle of white:D. Ahh well.

Amado, I'm not sure any more. I often see other peoples editing marks that people with presumably properly calibrated monitors couldnt see, and to be honest I have the gamma up a bit on this screen so I can see them. Whether that makes it right or wrong. Was wondering about approaching admin for a sticky with swatches on colour balance and gamma for the site. Theres obviously a huge variation across members screens. Maybe its the sort of thing someone like Jamie Roberts could sort out.

 

{snipped}.

 

Hey Rob--

 

All I see (apart from a few white specs in the black I assumed at first were dust on my screen ) ) is the horse's head and the sickle behind it. But then I'm looking on an EIZO CG calibrated quite low in terms of brightness--110 cd/m2--and at gamma 2.2, which matches prints under my viewing conditions. So apart from the "dust" it looks smooth.

 

Nice shot, too!

 

The problem is that most LCDs won't go that low (or even lower). Some others that do will lose all detail. And laptops? They're the worst--you basically have to turn them up and hope for the best.

 

So I don't see a lot of editing marks here. If you do, I'd suspect you have the gamma higher (as in a Mac still at 1.8 gamma) or you have an LCD... that's very bright

 

C'est la vie on the Web, I'm afraid!

 

I guess all you can do is put a gray scale on your site and have users check what they're seeing against it. However, the eye adapts pretty quickly, so I'm not even sure if that will work beyond a gross level of detail.

 

However, it's not a bad idea for the photo forums to use a standard 100-130 cdm/2 (compromise) luminosity and gamma 2.2 target. People on laptops would still be way out there, though.

[imported_peter_m]

The joys of posting on the web. Looks different on every monitor.

Here I can see a very faint arm and on the left is a smudge or it could be a second arm. Some dust there to .... I do like the picture.

Peter