pascal_meheut Posted November 17, 2006 Share #41 Posted November 17, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) While they are at it, could we ask for a higher resolution sensor? A 12 or maybe 16 mp sensor would be nice! Yes, and as long as we are dreaming, I would like it to be 16 mpix, noise free up to 6400 ISO, full-frame and cheaper than the current one. If Leica can also offer a free german car to choose from BMW, Audi, Mercedes and Porsche to each early buyer of an M8, that would be good too. Let's see it as a commercial gesture to compensate the emotionnal distress caused by being delivered a body with some problems... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FastFashnReloaded Posted November 17, 2006 Share #42 Posted November 17, 2006 While they are at it, could we ask for a higher resolution sensor? A 12 or maybe 16 mp sensor would be nice! No, GeraldC, it wouldn't be nice, because you have to reset the microlenses, you have more noise, etc, etc. Think about what you ask for because while you might get it, it might also be c___. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 17, 2006 Share #43 Posted November 17, 2006 Everyone has this wrong they built the sensor and Ir filter this way on purpose and that was to gain the most corner resolution from corner to corner with the M lenses. They just fell short of the magenta cast it turned out worse than they thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
osera Posted November 17, 2006 Share #44 Posted November 17, 2006 I sure would like to know the performance of the upgraded hardware before sending in my camera for update or replacement. I mean, it took how many years to develop the M8? My confidence in a solution after 2 weeks is not all that great. Well, I suppose the camera may be 99% done, so it might only take a short time to do the last 1%... Most things don't seem to work that way, though. Maybe they'll be able to display or provide some before/after images, since they are addressing specific problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted November 17, 2006 Share #45 Posted November 17, 2006 Everyone has this wrong they built the sensor and Ir filter this way on purpose and that was to gain the most corner resolution from corner to corner with the M lenses. They just fell short of the magenta cast it turned out worse than they thought. So, in a year of testing no one noticed that the color balances were completely off? I really, really doubt that. You saw the test chart I sent you with a magenta grey scale? There is no way that sort of thing doesn't get noticed pre production - it's too obvious. Leica DOES have to alter it's QC procedures however, or put someone in QC on the production line that isn't color blind. Maybe someone from Panasonic or Olympus... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 17, 2006 Share #46 Posted November 17, 2006 Dana that is what the yelling should be about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted November 17, 2006 Share #47 Posted November 17, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, and as long as we are dreaming, I would like it to be 16 mpix, noise free up to 6400 ISO, full-frame and cheaper than the current one.If Leica can also offer a free german car to choose from BMW, Audi, Mercedes and Porsche to each early buyer of an M8, that would be good too. Let's see it as a commercial gesture to compensate the emotionnal distress caused by being delivered a body with some problems... Actually, we all need hazard pay for reading all the flaming posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted November 17, 2006 Share #48 Posted November 17, 2006 Wow, this is revolutionary. Leica is going to change the sensor middle stream... uhuh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 17, 2006 Share #49 Posted November 17, 2006 It's amazing that no one has mentioned, again, that the reason that the camera got this far without a problem, then suddenly turned up with these issues, is that the prototypes WERE FINE. I'd suggest that there was a problem with the parts installed in the production units themselves, not a design problem, never a design problem. That's something I doubt we'll know for sure till the book comes out, but it fits the known facts best. I'm just looking forward to this g__ da__ thing being over and done with so people can talk about real pictures, not whether that black is really black or if it's magenta. By the way, Central Camera in Chicago has MPs and M7s backing up in the used department because people are trading them in on M8s. "No one wants them now", is what sales there said. In fact, all their M8s are sold out and or returned to Germany at this point so they have none to show, which sucks because it is why I went to Central Camera in the first place. The demand is high, the problem is going to be fixed, and I would suspect that new units shipping from Germany will NOT exhibit this issue. If Leica is intelligent then production would have been held until corrected parts were available, and I suspect that in a week or two you'll have new users on here saying they see no evidence of a problem at all. this guy is on the money think about it Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted November 17, 2006 Share #50 Posted November 17, 2006 Dana that is what the yelling should be about. Quality control? Absolutely. This is a major breakdown in QC, either because people were afraid to say anything, because they were too stupid to notice anything, or because QC procedures are lacking. Of course marketing could have gotten into a complete dither and said, "Ship 'em all!", no matter what QC said... That happens a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted November 17, 2006 Share #51 Posted November 17, 2006 Quality control? Absolutely. This is a major breakdown in QC, either because people were afraid to say anything, because they were too stupid to notice anything, or because QC procedures are lacking. Of course marketing could have gotten into a complete dither and said, "Ship 'em all!", no matter what QC said... That happens a lot. Dana, I think you are confusing Leica with American politics and business practices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted November 17, 2006 Share #52 Posted November 17, 2006 Dana, I think you are confusing Leica with American politics and business practices. It's a small world. People make the same errors everywhere. Can Leica users ship their M8s in for "rendition" at Gitmo for being to sensitive to IR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted November 17, 2006 Share #53 Posted November 17, 2006 .. Than I will sell all my IR filters to the RD-1 folks. LOL Some of the informed R-D1(s) users already know about the camera's capabilities and filters. It is the web reviewers who need them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted November 17, 2006 Share #54 Posted November 17, 2006 In the original posting a wrong statement was included. Peter corrected it in another posting: http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9604-call-leica-headquarters-concerning-fixes.html In order not to promote the fault I close this thread. Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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