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robsteve

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I think Leica must be referring to flare problems specific to the M8 because even their own DMR has IR filtration over the sensor.

 

It probably goes back to the original problem why Leica said a digital M would be problematic. The M lens is vey close to the sensor and the wider lenses are even closer and have a wider angle of incidence.

 

I did test shots with my DMR and my widest lens, the 19mm. With the ROM coding disabled, the images had bad vignetting and the cyan cast to the edges. The ROM enabled pictues were were much better and the vignetting and the cyan cast were minimized.

 

I suspect each camera came with coupons for lens coding so Leica can do the magic with the image at sensor capture level like they do with the DMR images and ROM lenses.

 

http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9457-why-coded-lenses-ir.html

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John Maio

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Off the point a little, but I plan to ask Leica to extend their lens coding promotion. The current promotion ends December 31. (buy a new lens and get 2 coded "free")

 

If I buy a new Leica lens, I'd want a complete package - including the matched filter for that lens. I kind of doubt those would be ready by the end of the year. Announced perhaps, but in the hands of dealers - doubtful.

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For those who are curious as to how a B+W 486 works on a 28 Summicron, this thread may be of interest:

http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9364-wedding-486-filters-m8.html

 

Just published part 4 of the review series which concentrates on this topic. Am currently working on a series of tests as well:

 

Set One:

 

28 Summicron with and without 486

25 Zeiss with and without 486

21 Zeiss with and without 486

 

Set Two:

 

M8 with Nokton 50/1.5 with and without 486

R-D1 with Nokton 50/1.5 with and without 486

5D with 50/2.5 Macro with and without 486

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Eoin

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assuming there is no fire without smoke, this is indeed sad news, gone are the 3rd party wider lenses, only to be replaced by "leica coded wides with filters". I had so much hope but kinda felt given the "news in 2 week statement" there was not a built in hardware fix.:mad:

 

Having sold all my Canon equipment to join this gig I can't describe my disappointment and utter contempt for the way in which Leica have pulled the wool over everyones eyes. For a company of their standing and tradition of fine equipment they seem to have rightly messed up.

 

I can't now help feel that the M8's days are numbered and they will go back to the design board and do it all again, there is no way any seasoned leica user will settle for this boged attempt at a digital rangefinder and leica will be forced to launch a M9 which will in some way allow for the proper use of their fine glass and record the images in true fidelity.

 

Now I must calm my self and decide if I truly want to continue to wait a furter month for delivery and settle with filters on my lens. Decisions decisions, and what will the value be of the M8 when the M9 is released.

 

And please don't say to me 'give leica the space to work on this' , 'whats the point to this negitivity', the point is leica don't deserve your or my support if this is what they sheepishly made you buy into. Spend $5000 on a camera $3000 on any one of the Leica lenses and they can't even get the thing to reproduce correct colour without putting a $80 IR window in front of the whole thing.

 

We have a saying here, you hood wink me once shame on you, you hood wink me twice shame on me!.

 

While I'm at it, anyone want a mint chrome summilux 35 f1.4 Asph cos I ain't going to get anything worthy to put it on in the next 12 months. I'm sorry if some of you die hard leica fanatics are offended by my post, my anger is not directed at you, but rather at a Company with a pedigree 2nd to none in terms of image and equipment quality whom have quite clearly "lost the plot".:rolleyes:

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jrgeoffrion

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To answer the questions:

 

- I have no idea whether the B+W filters will fit the new firmware. I hope so, I ordered 2 of them

- the commercial gesture being considered is to offer 2 filters to each M8 buyer. And of course of the sizes he needs

- the 28mm with the filter was a Summicron

- when it comes to the technicalities, I can only repeat what I've been told. I have no way of checking if this is true or not.

 

Ouch! :(

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Ouch. I had kinda expected this, but it still smarts. I don't have a problem with most of it, although I am somewhat disappointed. I want to buy the CV15, because Leica makes no 15, and the new Tri-Elmar is way too expensive for how often I would use it. Now, since the filters will likely work very poorly on this lens, I have to settle with a little Photoshopping for every image with magenta which bothers me, from this lens. It is a sad day.

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I'm simply not accepting the M8 I had on order. I'll stay with my MP and film for now. It sounded like a great idea .The camera itself looks like an M but if Leica can't get it right with the M8 i'll wait for the M9 or 10. It's still a lot of money to spend on any digital camera that needs "' fixes" right out of the box.

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Ouch. I had kinda expected this, but it still smarts. I don't have a problem with most of it, although I am somewhat disappointed. I want to buy the CV15, because Leica makes no 15, and the new Tri-Elmar is way too expensive for how often I would use it. Now, since the filters will likely work very poorly on this lens, I have to settle with a little Photoshopping for every image with magenta which bothers me, from this lens. It is a sad day.

 

IMHO, the only way for Leica to solve the IR issue is to include a "manual coding in the camera menu". The Nikon D2x has that for older lenses so that it can include the EXIF information.

 

Including a "manual coding in the camera menu" would solve MANY problems, namely:

 

1) requirement to get all the lenses coded (time and cost);

2) speed up the solution (see 1) above);

3) extend the solution to non Leica lenses (yes, it will eat some market share but a lot less than the goodwill it will create)

 

If Leica is reading this and want to contact me, they know the way to reach me.

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I have an M8 on order and 3 lenses in for coding - do you think Leica will supply free filters? If not then I think that to supply a substandard camera, charge for lens coding and then for filters is a certain way to bring on bankruptcy. I'm afraid that, however much I hope for the opposite that the self-destruct button has been pressed.

 

Lets be honest this is a £3K camera that doesn't work properly.

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Ever hear the aviation acronym CFIT? It means "controlled flight into terrain". Don't know why this popped in my head just now.

 

assuming there is no fire without smoke, this is indeed sad news, gone are the 3rd party wider lenses, only to be replaced by "leica coded wides with filters". I had so much hope but kinda felt given the "news in 2 week statement" there was not a built in hardware fix.:mad:

 

Having sold all my Canon equipment to join this gig I can't describe my disappointment and utter contempt for the way in which Leica have pulled the wool over everyones eyes. For a company of their standing and tradition of fine equipment they seem to have rightly messed up.

 

I can't now help feel that the M8's days are numbered and they will go back to the design board and do it all again, there is no way any seasoned leica user will settle for this boged attempt at a digital rangefinder and leica will be forced to launch a M9 which will in some way allow for the proper use of their fine glass and record the images in true fidelity.

 

Now I must calm my self and decide if I truly want to continue to wait a furter month for delivery and settle with filters on my lens. Decisions decisions, and what will the value be of the M8 when the M9 is released.

 

And please don't say to me 'give leica the space to work on this' , 'whats the point to this negitivity', the point is leica don't deserve your or my support if this is what they sheepishly made you buy into. Spend $5000 on a camera $3000 on any one of the Leica lenses and they can't even get the thing to reproduce correct colour without putting a $80 IR window in front of the whole thing.

 

We have a saying here, you hood wink me once shame on you, you hood wink me twice shame on me!.

 

While I'm at it, anyone want a mint chrome summilux 35 f1.4 Asph cos I ain't going to get anything worthy to put it on in the next 12 months. I'm sorry if some of you die hard leica fanatics are offended by my post, my anger is not directed at you, but rather at a Company with a pedigree 2nd to none in terms of image and equipment quality whom have quite clearly "lost the plot".:rolleyes:

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jrgeoffrion

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The Nikon menu setup only enables metering for you when using the non-AI ... or any other lenses which can not communicate with the body - it has nothing to do with IR.

 

Yes, that's correct. The point is that Leica can store the lens data and enable the users to SELECT the lens being used (any lens by any maker) and the M8 would pull up the data relevant to this lens. In other words, the benefit of being coded, without the 6-bit coding.

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What I understood is that they know how to fix the problem but that they are not ready to upgrade the bodies alread sold yet.

 

this squares sort of with what leica solms (customer service) told me today (the agent had to doublecheck with technical staff many times during our conversation). the final message was that starting monday they will upgrade the already sold bodies to fix the banding issue. he said that i can expect the camera back after 2 weeks or so...

rather unsettling. i am still undecided about having it 'fixed' or returning it.

peter

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I am trying to think this through into a real working situation. If I commit to this idea of filters for my (yet to arrive) M8 and add the filters, what effect will it have when the same lens is fitted to my RD-1? I do not want to have to remove/add filters according to which body I am using. That is simply a recipe for mistakes under pressure.

 

I understand that the RD-1 has some IR filtration built in. Adding an IR filter may be "over" filtering. Will this cause any problems or image changes? I am assuming it will not, on the basis that once the IR is filtered out further filtration will not occur. Will any other image value be effected by this "over" filtration?

 

Leica photography is becoming less of a 'casual' skill and more of a technical pursuit I fear. Casual is not the right word but I couldn't immediately think of a better one. I converted from a sophisticated and technical Hasselblad style of work to Leica some years ago because of the Leica simplicity coupled with quality, but now I fear the trend is reversing. Time will tell. Just a little musing while I type.

 

Cheers,

Erl

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