leicanut2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not think this would be a good camera for like bird pictures. Here is my reason. If you had both the R8 and the S2 and if you COULD use the 280mm R lens on the S2 you would not get any where neer as close you as you would get with the DMR. Because of the sensor size. But now if the image was like perfect you could crop it and blow it up. Am I right or do I have my head up my rectum again? Cheers Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 10, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 10, 2009 Well first you can't use a 280 R lens on a S2 . The longest is 180mm which in reality in FF 35mm terms is about 135 or something like that. Second why would you spend 58 grand on a system and than crop images. Counter productive when a D3x and a 300mm or 400mm would be a much better option and certainly a load cheaper, plus you can draw the subject in better and not crop. You would be taking a 37mpx down to most likely a 22mpx anyway or less. Makes no sense, sorry. Get a tool that works for the job at hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted August 10, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 10, 2009 Agree with Guy... This is predominanatly a studio camera with some outdoor potential but given that they will not develop a significnat telephoto, doubt bird or animal photography afficionados will be well served by the S2.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 10, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 10, 2009 Let's face it I have a 300mm on my Phase system and i love it and does a great job BUT it's only a effective 210mm in 35mm FF. Really just will not have the reach needed for wildlife unless you like cozying up to grizzlies. You can get through the speed issue with some limitations but reach you can not and cropping will just put you back to a much smaller mpx camera anyway. Although to be honest shooting MF it will probably be better looking but I would really not recommend it on a daily basis. On the s2 right now nothing announced yet over the 180mm either so really limited until Leica puts out some long glass. That certainly may come but it will be awhile for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 10, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 10, 2009 Agree with Guy... This is predominanatly a studio camera with some outdoor potential but given that they will not develop a significnat telephoto, doubt bird or animal photography afficionados will be well served by the S2.... BTW nice to see you Albert. Hope all is well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted August 10, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 10, 2009 Leica has announced they are making a 350mm f/3.5 APO lens for the S-System. No price yet, but should be available wihtin a year (or so). This will be equiv. to a 280mm on FF 35mm. Still not sure the S2 would be the best wildlife/bird system. It is really aimed at commercial, fashion, studio, and high-end landscape. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicanut2 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted August 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I totaly agree. It is made more for studio work. Not sure how it would do on birding. Would be great with a wide angle for Ensil Adams type stuff. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 11, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 11, 2009 I would never say MF is studio camera. I shoot everything with it from events to advertising but wildlife it does hit a wall. I don't own any 35mm gear so MF is it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted August 11, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 11, 2009 Ensil? Is that Ansel's brother? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 11, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 11, 2009 I fantasize about using the S2's bigger sensor but a few things would have to be worked out first before it would be useful for the kind of wildlife photos I usually make: ) the 350mm APO-Telyt would have to be available. This would give me the same FOV as my beloved 280mm f/4 APO does on a 35mm film camera. That's about the 'widest' lens I can use for wildlife. ) there would need to be a 1.4x APO-Extender-S available because often the 350's FOV would be too wide ) there would need to be an extension tube available because many of my subjects are tiny. ) I'd have to see how suitable the viewfinder is for manual focus at all points of the image area ) I'd have to see what the camera's high-ISO performance is like ) I'd have to see if the weight and bulk is manageable in rough terrain ) I'd have to see how my subjects respond to the larger camera. I tend to work close and the 400mm f/2.8 I briefly had freaked them out. I was CONSTANTLY using extenders with it because it freaked the animals out so much. I can get much closer with the 280 f/4 APO or 400mm f/6.8 than I could with the 400mm f/2.8 Having stated all my reservations about its suitability, its larger sensor, long APO glass, weather resistance, DSLR handling and my experience using a Kodak CCD would put the S2 at the top of my list of cameras > 35mm to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted August 11, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 11, 2009 It's funny how the big glass of the 400/560/800 gets critters' attention. I've had much more success up closer with the smaller lens head. A 280 equivalent lens with the S2 would be interesting. I'd be expecting pretty amazing performance. Really, the only impedent would be availability of longer lenses or perhaps APO extenders. If a 1.4x and 2x are released, well, that'll get some attention. And as Doug said, the manual focussing human-machine-interface would have to be assessed (viewfinder brightness, focus 'snap', lens barrel movement, shutter button release smoothness, exposure delay, mirror pre-release functionality). I'll volunteer to help with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicanut2 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted August 11, 2009 Yes I think Ensil was the forth child first came Ensil then Hansel then Gretel. Sorry about the not making that clear. Cheers Jan Thanks for the correction. Not much good on computers I am from the stone age... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 11, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 11, 2009 Yes I think Ensil was the forth child first came Ensil then Hansel then Gretel You've forgotten little Grizzly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicanut2 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted August 11, 2009 Look I did it again it's, Sorry about not making that clear. See what happens when you type with one finger wear glasses and have to watch the key pad when you type. And don't prove read before you hit post. Cheers Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted August 11, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 11, 2009 commercial, fashion and studio photographers do not need more than 24mpx for double spreads. high end landscape photographers need A LOT of megapixels and a RANGE of TS lensES. these are orthogonal crowds, with empty intersection. hard to please them both. my art photographer and fashion photographer friends could not care less about the S2. still, the 1000/year sale volume may very well be reached with well-to-do amateurs who want the leica seal. peter Leica has announced they are making a 350mm f/3.5 APO lens for the S-System. No price yet, but should be available wihtin a year (or so). This will be equiv. to a 280mm on FF 35mm. Still not sure the S2 would be the best wildlife/bird system. It is really aimed at commercial, fashion, studio, and high-end landscape. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 12, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 12, 2009 my art photographer and fashion photographer friends could not care less about the S2. You need better friends. How are you going to borrow an S2 if your friends don't buy one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 12, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 12, 2009 If you all won't buy it then what's the big deal? Wildlife are shot either with a gun or with a camera every day, you could keep on arguing and insulting each other for days if not weeks ... others have enjoyed their BBQ. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted August 12, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 12, 2009 You need better friends. How are you going to borrow an S2 if your friends don't buy one? you are right. but i shall doublecheck with my dentist and lawyer---))) peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 12, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 12, 2009 It's funny how the big glass of the 400/560/800 gets critters' attention. I've had much more success up closer with the smaller lens head. The closer you get to a lion, the more attention she will give you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted August 17, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 17, 2009 Very interesting opinions. I have been waiting for more details, lenses etc. to see whether the S2 would work for wildlife photography, I guess this thread answers some of my questions. For wildlife I mainly use a Sony Alpha 700 DSLR along with a couple of modified Zeiss lenses from my Contax SLR days (my main lens being the Zeiss 300mm f2.8 Apo-Tessar) and held off upgrading to the FF Alpha 900 pending what Leica was going to do either with the S2 or R10 (I guess that's not happening either). I guess it's back to the drawing board............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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