KM-25 Posted August 10, 2009 Share #21 Posted August 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think that this is a lens that can bring me incredible shots and change my limits. Sounds like an awful case of gear head syndrome to me. A lens can't change your limits, but you can. In fact, consider just how the digital age of photography has not really improved on the previous 50 years of photography. Think of how David Alan Harvey can shoot tightly wound circles around many shooters on this site with an M6 / 35 1.4. Think of how the work of Bresson just flat out blows away most of the work on here with an old Collapsible Summicron. Think about photographs, not gear, and your photographs will exceed current limits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fotomiguel Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share #22 Posted August 10, 2009 Philippe: Of course I will not be better photographer because a FF, but one always wants to buy new shoes and if they are more comfortable, even more. Marty: You are right. I should keep my 28mm. but then no 24mm. Jaap: My wife starts to hate photography. When I commented her about the new M9, she told me: What for do you need another camera?!!!!!!! Jeff: If the M9 is FF, then my 50mm will be just perfect. But....... The 35mm cron is still shaking my brain. Yanidel: My wife should be happy that I almost never look at another woman but cameras and lenses. Nicole: You are absolutely right! Tri: One can photograph the mistress in low light? Graham: We will have to wait at least a long long month and then rethink and rethink again. Bo: The same effect with smaller lens and smaller preis. You can't improve as a photographer because of a different camera, but you can improve the beauty of your files. Jamie: I quite agree. The 24mm lux is going to be a great lens on a FF a bit too wide for my taste and my intentions, and sometimes money matters. 24mm summilux and M9 in the same year... 5000 +7000= 12000 Euros. For you a good lens is a improvement for your work. You earn money with every shot. For me every shot it's so expensive. Noah: I agree with you. The need of a external finder would make this lens not so attractive Thank you for all your comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grillo Posted August 10, 2009 Share #23 Posted August 10, 2009 Bo_Lorentzen: "Maybe the M15 with the HCB eye feature which gently will nudge the camera to improve composition and refuse to release on lame shots, will offer some hope for my images.." Or the low cost option: the little arrows in the viewfinder can be illuminated in green to show you in which direction to point the camera for the best picture... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotomiguel Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted August 10, 2009 Sounds like an awful case of gear head syndrome to me. A lens can't change your limits, but you can. In fact, consider just how the digital age of photography has not really improved on the previous 50 years of photography. Think of how David Alan Harvey can shoot tightly wound circles around many shooters on this site with an M6 / 35 1.4. Think of how the work of Bresson just flat out blows away most of the work on here with an old Collapsible Summicron. Think about photographs, not gear, and your photographs will exceed current limits. Cartier Bresson is my great photographer. I always think of him and I always try to learn more about him, about his method and tecnique. The most of my “people photography” has been shot with a 50mm cron. Of course I don't own his great tecnique and his wonderful eyes. But the greatness of Cartier Bresson was his humility as a photographer. This let him to have a long and succesful career keeping him always ready. For Cartier Bresson the M camera and the 50mm were really important because he applied all his tecnique and vision through this camera and lens. The important thing is that he knew his limits and when he could shoot and when not. Limits are important in photography and the tecnique is so important. His eyes and camera worked with the same view. Every lens give you a different photography and limits. This is essencial in photography. To use the every lens and camera properly with your vision and perception together. This will be your photography. This is one of the situations where I would have used the 24mm lux. I used the 28mm elmarit 320 iso and 1/30. It happened in the aquarium of Mallorca. The light was really nice but really low. The idea was in my head but the problem was that the fishes swimed too fast. Luckily one of them came slowly and my wife was with a nice look. Cartier Bresson told us clearly: Every shot is just luck. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/92919-m9-rumours-have-saved-me-from-madness/?do=findComment&comment=989451'>More sharing options...
erl Posted August 11, 2009 Share #25 Posted August 11, 2009 Fotomiguel, with that image (& wife) you have succeeded! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted August 11, 2009 Share #26 Posted August 11, 2009 Sounds like an awful case of gear head syndrome to me. A lens can't change your limits, but you can. In fact, consider just how the digital age of photography has not really improved on the previous 50 years of photography. Think of how David Alan Harvey can shoot tightly wound circles around many shooters on this site with an M6 / 35 1.4. Think of how the work of Bresson just flat out blows away most of the work on here with an old Collapsible Summicron. Think about photographs, not gear, and your photographs will exceed current limits. Sorry KM-25, but I must (politely) disagree! You are attempting to compare apples with oranges in a completely different time warp. RE. DAH I can't comment, but still don't see the relevance. RE. HCB, I have found a lot of his work only mediocre, not to take away from his other admirable work. I don't think he would have a hope in hell of surviving today as we do. He was fortunate to be of 'his time' and independently able to afford the indulgence of photography, where he was revered and feted by aristocracy as one of them. It just could not happen today, anymore than Fred Astaire (another of my favourites) being successfully famous today. It is almost suicidal to NOT think about gear along with photographs today. A serious part of the skill of good photographers today is their ability, nay, neccessity, to be equally competent and cognisant of both gear AND images. Something I am sure you do as well, even if you don't readily admit to it. eg. choosing Kodachrome, hand held meters,...............etc From one wise old fart to another! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share #27 Posted August 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Miguel, Always a pleasure reading your posts. Enthusiast amateurs very busy to generate a good living and trying to to find time for M-photos: that sounds familiar. + You made a very good point, I think: how much does an amateur picture cost by diving the total cash spent for gear by the numer of decent to good pictures one takes? (time spent being for free because we love it, while the time could be the true luxury) I can only speak for myself but isn't it a bit like being a member in a very good gym with a nice pool, or a reputable golf club and only going there once a month? With the arrival of the M9 isn't it a bit like being a keen amateur piano player and trading in one's very good Steinway for a grand piano? I considered selling out more than once (one M6+35 that's all). Prices are very fair in the bay and insisting on having it collected here directly from me might save misunderstandings. Big cities like London, NYC etc. probably also have this advantage. Some more years it'll be M8 (that I had updated in spring) for me and if I wanted full frame: M6. It took me very long to trade in my second-hand M2 for M6. Why rush now for the novelty, which will be available for 5500€? On the other hand I do not regret at all having the 1.4/24mm. It's fantastic - on film too, but there the vignetting becomes more pronounced. For M9's 5.5k one can outsorce a lot of computer time, or get a very decent scanner and a 24Lux and find a friend, who's already retired willing to scan one's slides for using it for his own negs/slides. We see happening to the M8 what saw before with all good digital SLR. I don't think Summilux Asph prices will be under such preasure (except for the "oldest" the 35mm, which is very, very fine on the M8). Could it be, that the 21mm and 24mm are special beasts interesting for the high-end HD video market, too? Could also be I'll read the German blog more in order to find a buddy in Frankfurt, who buys a M9 in 2009-10. We could swap M9 for 24Summi for a week-end occasionally, after seeing that we're both just as meticulous with our gear. If one gets damaged: simple rule - keep the swapped, more or less! Finally: would it be the first time doing the right thing by doing what the wife says - for a while ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikFive Posted August 11, 2009 Share #28 Posted August 11, 2009 Do as I do, start covering the M8 logo with black tape. So when you get the M9 and you do the same, she won't notice. (I imagine the scene where the tape starts peeling off and the wife starts screaming "Miguel, cabron, you lied to me ... there is another one in your life") Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted August 11, 2009 Share #29 Posted August 11, 2009 Miguel, What a beautiful shot! Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 11, 2009 Share #30 Posted August 11, 2009 Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission But the important bit is... Which is more likely to be granted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted August 11, 2009 Share #31 Posted August 11, 2009 Quote: Originally Posted by ErikFive Its easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission But the important bit is... Which is more likely to be granted? Forgiveness, it is in the nature of human :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 11, 2009 Share #32 Posted August 11, 2009 But the important bit is... Which is more likely to be granted? Well, being the woman you should be able to tell us. I must say, I'm not very good at keeping it quiet when I get a new camera, and getting permission first is better than letting it slip out two days later. It's very useful to bring up the subject when discussing that new piece of tack, or the price of horse feed. I also find it useful to talk about friends who play golf or have boats (or mistresses), and, generally speaking it's better when one hasn't been talking about the car for a few days I should also say that my wife (boss) is completely great about such things, and I've already negotiated the fact of buying an M9 if there is one . . . we haven't quite got to the subject of the necessity of having two bodies:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted August 11, 2009 Share #33 Posted August 11, 2009 Well, being the woman you should be able to tell us. Good point Jono. And.... why does my wife continually remind me that I have 3 Leica cameras ? They're obviously not the same models ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 11, 2009 Share #34 Posted August 11, 2009 Good point Jono. And.... why does my wife continually remind me that I have 3 Leica cameras ? They're obviously not the same models ! Or different colours . . .I have a black and a chrome M8 - clearly a strategic error . . mind you, even if they are the same colour AND the same model you have the problem of her seeing them both together (like one over one shoulder and one over the other). After lots of years of a great marriage I have come to realise that wives (mine at least) are not bamboozleble . . they may find it diplomatic to pretend that they don't know something, but they always do. It's much safer to bank on this fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 11, 2009 Share #35 Posted August 11, 2009 Good point Jono. And.... why does my wife continually remind me that I have 3 Leica cameras ? They're obviously not the same models ! By now, you should also have learned, that while forgiveness may be given, permission would probably have been cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted August 11, 2009 Share #36 Posted August 11, 2009 By now, you should also have learned, that while forgiveness may be given, permission would probably have been cheaper. I have idiosyncrasies as well. Just because I said I was funding the new digital one with the sale of the film ones and modified the time scale because I had second thoughts, doesn't mean I'm NOT going to sell my MP and M7. Of course I will ....... She should have recognised the pattern with since the Hasselblad digital and the Canon digital when nothing left the armoury. Without any technical background, she's quite happy for me to buy any Canon gear cos it's business. Appreciates that my affair with Hass goes back to the early 70's so they're safe, but she thinks that the 3 Leica bodies and 6 lenses are pure indulgence. Where's the logic in that ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy Posted August 12, 2009 Share #37 Posted August 12, 2009 Having read the various posts about permissions and forgivenesses, I'd like to suggest (for the second time, I think) the system my wife and I have instigated to curb my rampant need for kit. It works like this: we have a Treats Fund – or really, two Treats Funds, one each. Whatever money we have spare to put towards treats, from either of our earnings, must be split between BOTH funds equally. That way, by the time I have saved up enough for the next lens / synthesiser / guitar / computer game subscription, my wife can have had a thousand or so aromatherapy massages / seaweed facial masks / canoeing lessons / bookbuying sprees. So we're both happy and neither of us can legitimately gripe. This is my stab at a Nobel peace price and I intend to patent it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 12, 2009 Share #38 Posted August 12, 2009 Having read the various posts about permissions and forgivenesses, I'd like to suggest (for the second time, I think) the system my wife and I have instigated to curb my rampant need for kit. It works like this: we have a Treats Fund – or really, two Treats Funds, one each. Whatever money we have spare to put towards treats, from either of our earnings, must be split between BOTH funds equally. That way, by the time I have saved up enough for the next lens / synthesiser / guitar / computer game subscription, my wife can have had a thousand or so aromatherapy massages / seaweed facial masks / canoeing lessons / bookbuying sprees. So we're both happy and neither of us can legitimately gripe. This is my stab at a Nobel peace price and I intend to patent it. Hmm so, that means that, at €5500 euros, 1M9 = approximately 1200 bags of haylage . . . at 1/2 bag a day that sounds like almost 10 years . .. of course, there is the blacksmith and the tack and the vet's bills . . . Oh dear, on this basis I could have a long wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 12, 2009 Share #39 Posted August 12, 2009 Oh dear, on this basis I could have a long wait! hang on hang on hang on . . . I forgot the horse box we got last year . . that means I can have it NOW NOW NOW:D . . . . . at least, I could do if we hadn't spent the money on the horse box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 12, 2009 Share #40 Posted August 12, 2009 When I spend this sort of money I try not to spring it on my wife. Let her know well in advance, gets used to the idea, the money wont be spent quite yet etc. I've already mentioned the possible M9, but I will wait anyway to see what transpires. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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