JLV Posted August 8, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, I have two lenses, a 35 cron asph and a 50 lux asph. I love both and shoot 80% of the time with the 35. For the same amount of price (quite a lot in any case) I can give the 35 cron and get a new 35 lux (I tested it it has no back focus problem) or buy a used mint Elmarit 24 coded and keep the 35 cron of course) Is there a great difference between the 35 cron and the asph. (talking about fingerprint and subjective rendering, 3D ect..) What do you think also about the 24 Elmarit and for what purpose do you use it? Thanks very much for taking time to answer. All the best, Jean-Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted August 8, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 8, 2009 To me, three lenses are better than two, especially when all are good quality as these. I don't think the two 35's will be radically different in footprint, so question for me would be need for extra stop. Given differing opinions on the forum, however, best for you to test for yourself. Sean's and Puts' reviews on the 35s are also helpful. If M9 is a future consideration, you might want to wait to see if it is full frame, and how frame lines are positioned. Personally, I love the 28 cron in my arsenal, and it's the widest I find comfortable on my M8.2, as I wear glasses, like to see framelines and don't like external finders. FWIW, I also own 35 cron asph and 50 lux asph...love 'em both (and the 75 cron asph, too). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted August 8, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 8, 2009 If you use 35mm 80% of the time you might consider switching that to lux, then switching the 50 lux to a cron and finance a used 24 Elmarit with the change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted August 8, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 8, 2009 Hi Jean-Luc, I have two lenses, a 35 cron asph and a 50 lux asph.Do you miss the one diaphragm often with your Summicron ?The Summilux Asph is a jewel, but the Cron Asph is not bad at all. What do you think also about the 24 Elmarit and for what purpose do you use it?This is another jewel. I use it mostly for landscape and inside photography. I would go for the 24 (some second-hand are bargain) and have more choice in focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 8, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 8, 2009 Don't forget to try the 24mm Elmar. It's a lovely sharp lens on the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 8, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 8, 2009 Keep in mind there are rumours of a new 35mm Summilux; the existing one, especially in black, seems to suffer from sample variation leading to focus shift as you stop down. Of Leica's current lenses, it's the problem child and well overdue for rework. I would wait until the rumoured announcements on 09/09. You can then decide whether to buy a new design, if announced, or buy one of the secondhand old ones being dumped onto the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertekijker Posted August 8, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 24 Elmarit sits 95% of the time on my M8. -------------- F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted August 8, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 8, 2009 Jean-Luc My standard outfit is 24/2.8, 35/2 and 50/1.4 - all Asph. Its a very effective set and whilst I'd like faster lenses I'd not be without any all these particular lenses of all 3 focal lengths just to own a faster one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLV Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted August 8, 2009 Thanks to all of you. It seems to be wiser to go towards the 24 Elmarit. I will see that in september. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experience. All the best, Jean-Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted August 8, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 8, 2009 ... I would go for the 24 (some second-hand are bargain) and have more choice in focal length. +1 The Lux 35 has an amazing bokeh and a special character wide open, compared to the Cron (I own both). However, unless you really need the extra stop, I'd keep the Cron, which is also smaller and easier to handle IMO. I only got a used 24 Elmarit recently and am currently learning to use it; others would certainly have more experience with it. As far as I can see, it's very sharp and could be put to good use for landscape, architecture - as well as street photography if you are comfortable getting close to your subject and/or if you are working in close quarters. If I'm not mistaken, Noah Addis, a forum contributor and IMHO a great photojournalist loves this lens: you may want to check his portfolio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efftee Posted August 8, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 8, 2009 I have heard of so many different habits and preferences with different photographers. If you did a poll, you'll probably find about the same number who sticks a 24, 28 and 35 on their M8 most of the time and each would have the right reason for their choice. And if you don't have pockets as deep as the Mariana Trench, then you may have to debate the merits of many lesser lenses at different focal lengths to fewer lenses of higher quality. Nb: I use the terms 'lesser' and 'higher quality' for academic comparison only; I really don't know of any 'lesser' Leica lenses. I just traded my 35 Cron and 90 Cron for a new 35 Lux. Personally, it was a good trade, I hardly use the 90 Cron and extra stop is extremely useful as I do not use a flash. Ever. I didn't experience any problems with the infamous focus shift issue to trouble me and it may be me but I've found that the 35 Cron and 35 Lux do draw differently -- not as obvious on screen as on printed paper. I thought the 35 Lux rendered in a more 'art-like' manner than the 35 Cron. It's neither better nor worse, just different. When I am out with only one lens -- it'd be the 35 Lux. I also have the 50 Lux and 24 Elmarit, which makes a great pair when I go out with two lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Root Posted August 8, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 8, 2009 Keep in mind there are rumours of a new 35mm Summilux; the existing one, especially in black, seems to suffer from sample variation leading to focus shift as you stop down. Of Leica's current lenses, it's the problem child and well overdue for rework. I would wait until the rumoured announcements on 09/09. You can then decide whether to buy a new design, if announced, or buy one of the secondhand old ones being dumped onto the market. I concur with this since having a 35 summilux asph in chrome that I was checked in Solms and found to be within specifications. The focus shift from 2.0 to 4.0 I found unacceptable with the M8 and have been delighted since trading it for a 50 summilux asph and then purchasing a 28 summicron asph and chrome MATE for fair weather days. I have not heard rumors regarding an updated 35 summilux asph, but Leica is now incorporating floating elements in many of their lenses so it is probably just a matter of time before the 35 summilux asph will be reworked to incorporate floating elments. Remember, the 35 summilux asph was designed during the erra of film and its focus shift didn't come to light until individuals expressed frustration when using it with the M8. Furthermore, your investment is sure to drop on a 35 summilux asph if and when an updated 35 summilux asph is released with floating elments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted August 8, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 8, 2009 As mentioned above, if you do a lot of architecture and street photography, going for the 24mm Elmarit would make sense. As suggested by Marty, since you use the 35mm 80% of time, trading in your 50mm Lux and 35mm Cron for a 35mm Lux Asph and 50mm Cron (Or CV 1.5) could make sense too. There is definitely a special look of the 35mm Lux Asph wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted August 8, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 8, 2009 Salut Jean-Luc, as you do 80% of your images with the 35 summicron, how often do you feel limited by its speed? Usually it makes sense to invest into the lens used most often. However, there are rumors around about a new M and maybe even a new 35 summilux. So - maybe hold off with your purchase until the fog clears ... on ne sais jamais, you may find yourself switching the camera rather than the lens Regards Ivo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 8, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 8, 2009 35 Cron asph used to be my body cap for M8... I took a used (perfect) 24 Elmarit asph a pair of months ago and discovered that is a pleasure to use, also for the simple fact that it's the full viewfinder focal: I was uncertain about the effect of the focal, but at film times I used a lot 35 as standard, and 24 on M8 can be used almost the same way...just with a bit more of WA effect; in these days, on my beloved mountains I tend to bring 24+75 as "light set" ... when too many lenses can be a problem to carry as hereunder... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 24 Elmarit at f4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 24 Elmarit at f4 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/92836-dilemna-upgrade-to-35-lux-or-get-24-elmarit/?do=findComment&comment=987687'>More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted August 9, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 9, 2009 Go for the 24 Elmarit. No question. You already have a 35 cron, and its a stellar lens as well. As much as I love the 35 Lux, I would take the 24 Elmarit in your situation. I have the 24 elmarit and the 35 Lux. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arif Posted August 9, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 9, 2009 Hi Jean-Luc, There are already many good suggestions here but another one I would like to put in for your consideration is the 21-35 Hexanon (not quite the 24 as in your question). It is a little slower but quality is quite good and you only have one lens to carry (comes with a great 21-35 viewfinder plus it is very economical, I bought mine new for almost $1,200 last year and deals pop up on the internet frequently). You can then sell your 35 cron for something coming down the road. I do have the 24 Elmarit but I got a really good deal on the 24 lux and like it very much as it is a very good match with my 35 aspherical. Nostalgic considerations right now are winning my logical considerations to part with the 24 Elmarit. Good luck, Arif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted August 9, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 9, 2009 Go for the 24 Elmarit. No question. You already have a 35 cron, and its a stellar lens as well. As much as I love the 35 Lux, I would take the 24 Elmarit in your situation. I have the 24 elmarit and the 35 Lux. Steve Agreed. To trade a stop more speed on the 35 instead of a 24 Elmarit seems like madness to me esp as you have no wides! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiralx Posted August 9, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 9, 2009 Don't forget to try the 24mm Elmar. It's a lovely sharp lens on the M8. I agree - in fact unless you really need the speed I can't quite see why anyone would choose the Elmarit over the Elmar. I had both and much prefer the Elmar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLV Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share #20 Posted August 9, 2009 Thanks to all of you for your great input! Best regards, Jean-Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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