offshore Posted August 7, 2009 Share #21 Posted August 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Like waiting for a new David Lynch movie, you know it's going to be different you just don't know how much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Hi offshore, Take a look here Leica announces launch of new "system cameras". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jamie Roberts Posted August 7, 2009 Share #22 Posted August 7, 2009 Good to know that they won't be rushing out the M9 before it's been fully tested... Well, Mani, at least it won't be the first one out the door. Leica has learned a ton building the M8 and M8.2, as well as the S2, so I really don't expect the kind of major artifact or colour problems that plagued the M8 launch. I'm sure the M9 will be a fabulous M camera. I just hope it isn't Leica's last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted August 8, 2009 Share #23 Posted August 8, 2009 Well, Mani, at least it won't be the first one out the door. Leica has learned a ton building the M8 and M8.2, as well as the S2, so I really don't expect the kind of major artifact or colour problems that plagued the M8 launch. .....quote] I think I recall numerous threads on how the DMR launch experience prepared Leica for a falwless M8 launch ........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted August 8, 2009 Share #24 Posted August 8, 2009 Well, Mani, at least it won't be the first one out the door. Leica has learned a ton building the M8 and M8.2, as well as the S2, so I really don't expect the kind of major artifact or colour problems that plagued the M8 launch. .....quote] I think I recall numerous threads on how the DMR launch experience prepared Leica for a falwless M8 launch ........ Different Manimal. The M8 was an entirely different bird. The DMR was a back. The M8 was an entire camera. Apples and pears. Don't be a knee-biter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 8, 2009 Share #25 Posted August 8, 2009 So is the S2. Leica doesn't have the experience of building and working from custom ASIC technology. The experience gained from the M8 is for discreet off the shelf component technology rather than large scale integrated components and ASICs. If you think their software will be flawless out the shoot you are going to be in for a surprise. I will be shocked as they haven't demonstrated that level of ability in the three years I have been following their digital development. A delay in delivery will be a strong indication that the software isn't there yet. Also, until you put it in the hands of real users (a large number of them) you just can't easily test every combination of events that will illustrate the short comings (bugs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Esslinger Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted August 8, 2009 I am sure there will be issues with any new camera. Just look at C or N: They also face problems with new cameras, even if these are merely updates. And these competitors have a lot more experience in churning out new products. So for a company which launches a new camera only every few years and concentrates on unique designs, this is a lot tougher. But I hope Leica is prepared for this and has prepared measures to react in a way that will build confidence. Because everybody knows that complex products can go wrong - it is the company's response that counts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierovitch Posted August 8, 2009 Share #27 Posted August 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Could this be the R solution. Rumored Micro Four Thirds Panasonic GF1 gets pictured Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 8, 2009 Share #28 Posted August 8, 2009 Micro 4/3 is no solution for R users waiting for a solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 8, 2009 Share #29 Posted August 8, 2009 Exactly right Andy. 2x crop? No thanks. Would make my 3 widest R lenses start at 48, 56, and 70 mm respectively. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 8, 2009 Share #30 Posted August 8, 2009 He said you would be able to use your R lenses he didn't say that it might have to be as a cropped lens but that shouldn't come as a surprise given that the M8 is also a cropped sensor camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow Posted August 8, 2009 Share #31 Posted August 8, 2009 I think these kind of press releases should be analyzed like this Haruspex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted August 9, 2009 Share #32 Posted August 9, 2009 He said you would be able to use your R lenses he didn't say that it might have to be as a cropped lens but that shouldn't come as a surprise given that the M8 is also a cropped sensor camera. He never really said it would even be a camera did he? Just a solution. Could be an adapter of some kind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted August 9, 2009 Share #33 Posted August 9, 2009 Didn't Leica make a statement not so long ago that they are done with M4/3? Still hoping for that CL-D (APS or APS-H)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierovitch Posted August 9, 2009 Share #34 Posted August 9, 2009 A solution then would probably be a micro 4/3 adapter to add to this one. Leica Camera AG - Photography - Adapter for R Lenses on 4/3? Cameras Why rebadge a body for a market you want to get out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 9, 2009 Share #35 Posted August 9, 2009 R lens 4/3rds adapters were all ready in the market when he made his announcement. If all he meant was putting a red dot on one and selling it under the Leica name he was surely misleading the R enthusiasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndr Posted August 9, 2009 Share #36 Posted August 9, 2009 Maybe a 0.5x APO Extender for R to m4/3 could be the solution. But I am sure especially the wideangle lenses won't work very good with such an Extender. But you will win a lot of light on the sensor! Kind regards, Bernd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted August 9, 2009 Share #37 Posted August 9, 2009 With the quick turn-around time for digital bodies, it's starting to make sense that building 'cookie-cutter' bodies to work with an R lens line perhaps like a bigger GF-1 is possible. It's all about the software insides that changes. With CNC machining used to extremely high tolerances today, why couldn't Leica make a bigger GF-1 type of camera? IF mirror box 35's are becoming fewer, a new concept would need to take it's place. Inside new bodies are chips, circuits, etc. so the outside could be ergonomically designed with the insides merely changed to adapt changes in software, hardware etc. The durability and Leica-quality would not have to change at all. It would be easier to produce full-framed bodies more economically with quality which would leave the major expense to the lenses. I want an R option, as it's what most of my Leica use evolves around. I'm up for a new design that works, if it's modern and still a Leica, I say break the mould for a new system camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 9, 2009 Share #38 Posted August 9, 2009 Leica said a partner is involved in the solution for R lenses... I don't know what is the direction of that "solution". Video cameras? An "electronic-viewfinder" camera with large sensor? Some kind of hybrid? Whos is the partner? Panasonic? I have no idea, but I would like to know something... in september... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted August 9, 2009 Share #39 Posted August 9, 2009 Different Manimal. The M8 was an entirely different bird. The DMR was a back. The M8 was an entire camera. Apples and pears. Don't be a knee-biter. Sorry - i think you're wromg on this -- the DMR provided an experienced in lauching a new high-end digital product - did it not ? ........ lets face it no two products are identical (true products not extention models ie: a signature version)......so are saying no experience can be leveraged - i disagree with you ... whats a knee biter ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted August 9, 2009 Share #40 Posted August 9, 2009 Leica said a partner is involved in the solution for R lenses... I don't know what is the direction of that "solution". Video cameras? An "electronic-viewfinder" camera with large sensor? Some kind of hybrid? Whos is the partner? Panasonic? I have no idea, but I would like to know something... in september... I for one would love to see a Digilux 4, or something with a reasonalby priced camera body with product plans to continue on with the series..... the investment in leica has always been the lenses NOT the camera body...... peronally i think Panasonic has been a good partner - meaning im happy wit hthe digilux 3, style, bulid, look, function, ...and btw i dont give about crap on sensor size.....4/3's, M4/3rs, 2/3rd, or something else - i care about the image quaility produced and a camera body that performs the functions i need....... 5 fps, focus confirmation, auto-focus options, auto iso, manual over ride, great out of the box jpegs, great auto white balance, quiet, works well with flash, looks good, etc..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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