charlesphoto99 Posted August 5, 2009 Share #21 Posted August 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nope. That's what I have an iPhone for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wstotler Posted August 5, 2009 Share #22 Posted August 5, 2009 Not me. But if someone else wanted to make a full-frame M-compatible non-rangefinder movie-making device, then me and my Noctilux are ready to become budding Kubricks Right there with you, Jamie. I investigated having a 35mm adaptor modified to accept the M mount. This would permit Leica glass to be used on HD cams, for example. The flange distance is very shallow on the M gear (compared to Canon/Nikon lenses), which made adaptation not readily possible. Of course, the Canon/Nikon glass works fine. <sigh> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils-advocate Posted August 6, 2009 Share #23 Posted August 6, 2009 No. No. No. and NO! The 'movie modes' on all dslrs are a complete waste of time. Movies are much harder to shoot than still, involving many more elements, including proper sound and stable imagery. Still-cameras are the wrong platform for this. What the M9 *really* needs, however, is image stabilization. It is a natural companion to the rendering abilities of the M lenses, and would be a natural for M applications. - n. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 6, 2009 Share #24 Posted August 6, 2009 Right there with you, Jamie. I investigated having a 35mm adaptor modified to accept the M mount. This would permit Leica glass to be used on HD cams, for example. The flange distance is very shallow on the M gear (compared to Canon/Nikon lenses), which made adaptation not readily possible. Of course, the Canon/Nikon glass works fine. <sigh> Right--the closest you can get to a Leica look is using the R50 / R80 Lux on a 5d2. Not bad at all (especially the 80) but it's not a Nocti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kschwarz Posted August 6, 2009 Share #25 Posted August 6, 2009 For me it's the following: 1. Full-frame chip (36mm x 24mm) 2. 16-bit RAW computer files 3. Works without having to use IR-Cut filters for colour photography If the new digital-m doesn't have these three things, then I'm passing (again). I totally agree with all 3. Regarding video, why not? That said, I would much prefer to have live-view than video. Live view would allow for critical focusing in difficult situations, and it would make adjusting the rangefinder easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted August 7, 2009 Share #26 Posted August 7, 2009 An M is not versatile. It's not supposed to be. If you need versatile get a Japanese camera. If you need a professional rangefinder get an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 7, 2009 Share #27 Posted August 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nope. That's what I have an iPhone for. Does your iPhone take movies? Mine onlytakes stills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted August 7, 2009 Share #28 Posted August 7, 2009 An M is not versatile. It's not supposed to be. If you need versatile get a Japanese camera. If you need a professional rangefinder get an M. Or several ... for backup. Anyway lets face it 99% of Leica users use them in fully auto mode. If it had movie and AF they would sell even more of the things:D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted August 7, 2009 Share #29 Posted August 7, 2009 Maybe I don't get you: Do you mean it is better to pay more and get less? Explain this to the Leica-dealer - or the liquidator. I'd explain it to the Leica dealer when I don't buy it. The Nikon D90 that I bought my partner (and which she never uses these days) gets used for video - you should try one of these many, many other cameras that all do a great job of capturing video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted August 7, 2009 Share #30 Posted August 7, 2009 Less is more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted August 7, 2009 Share #31 Posted August 7, 2009 I already asked this in the German forum. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digitalforum/94051-wer-m-chte-seine-m9-mit.html#post985789 No. Please deity tanj deletive expleted no. Absolutely not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolu Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share #32 Posted August 7, 2009 I totally agree with all 3. Regarding video, why not? That said, I would much prefer to have live-view than video. Live view would allow for critical focusing in difficult situations, and it would make adjusting the rangefinder easier. If the M9 had live view and movie mode in addition to the standard rangefinder mode of operation it would be more versatile. 1 - you could use it on a microscope/telescope etc. 2 - you could take macro shots using a simple extension ring 3 - you could make movies using a large sensor & prime optics The optics would distinguish it from a $300 P&S, the rangefinder would still be there if we want the classic M ergonomics. Hi kschwartz, hi Stephen, in the German forum a mjh explained that video historically is an aftereffect of live-view. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digitalforum/94051-wer-m-chte-seine-m9-mit-5.html#post988237 He explaines further, that the condition of live view is a sensor, which can be readout while the shutter is open. And: this is not viable with a "full frame transfer CCD" as the Kodak KAF in the M8 and S2, but only with an "interline transfer CCD" as in P&S-cameras or a CMOS in DSLRs. As I remember test shots of the DMR ans M8 versus 5d etc. the CCD had the better overall image quality and colour rendition. So does this mean neither live-view nor video is technically viable if we want, what I suppose all here do, the best sensor for photography for our M9. If this is so, this would be the reason for me against live view and movie mode - not for ideological, but technical reason. Can the "full frame transfer CCD" be enhanced in the future to cope with this? Is the "interline transfer CCD" an option? Any thoughts? Any more technicians, engineers around? Regards rolu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 7, 2009 Share #33 Posted August 7, 2009 Good point Rolo, so does that mean that the Red sensors are worse than the M8 CCD in terms of picture quality? I guess so based on what you write. Maybe Leica going for a live view EVIL viewfinder compatible with M and R lenses (the ME or EMS or whatever) and a 'classic' M9 with state of the art CCD, rangefinder only, no live view etc. The former would act as a backup and "party" camera and the latter would be the 'real thing'. Makes sense to me. FWIW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Isayo Posted August 7, 2009 Share #34 Posted August 7, 2009 No movie, no liveview, and no F*******ng IR filters! Make it full frame, around 16MP, 14 bit, high res LCD, and the ability for high quality 3200 asa. That's it. PS: Keep it under $8,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symeon Posted August 7, 2009 Share #35 Posted August 7, 2009 Not me, and I guess not many from the old school. It is strange but where I come from many people (below 45) when they say "camera" they mean video camera. Who am I to tell them otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 8, 2009 Share #36 Posted August 8, 2009 Interline CCDs can support video. Full frame transfer CCDs can do it too, if there is a black duplicate of the sensor. CMOS have the problem of sequential reading, from top to bottom, and this produces some kind of "in frame" lag, but that is being improved. I don't need video in a rangefinder camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 9, 2009 Share #37 Posted August 9, 2009 Does your iPhone take movies? Mine onlytakes stills. Yep. 3GS. And the video's not bad imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted August 9, 2009 Share #38 Posted August 9, 2009 Thanks no thanks. The more complicated, the less Leica. Would be great on the next APS of full frame (?) Panny though. I agree. Keep it simple, reliable and as good as it can be where it counts. Microsoft could do with thinking along these lines too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted August 9, 2009 Share #39 Posted August 9, 2009 Thanks no thanks. The more complicated, the less Leica. [...] I agree. Keep it simple, reliable and as good as it can be where it counts. [...] I also agree with LCT's bright statement. That's how I'm thinking regarding future Leica's reflex - more prone to "gentrification" (tons of buttons, loads of LCD, unusable interface, etc.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrmurray Posted August 9, 2009 Share #40 Posted August 9, 2009 I want Leica to design the M9 so I can mount and use it on my 30-'06 hunting rifle. That could replace my Leica ER 3,5-14x42 riflescope and maybe I could make an i-phone outta that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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