eronald Posted November 13, 2006 Share #1 Posted November 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is a typical real-world M8 picture. See the light band across the right-hand customer's jacket (Banding). Notice how the jackets have gone plum-colored (IR). Observe the harsh sharp thin line surrounding the vendor's hand and teh prodcut he holds, and around the left jacket shoulder of thecustomer with the belt. (magenta line) Look at the bright red ear of the right-hand customer, and the overall tone of the image. (magenta cast) Edmund Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9116-all-in-one-example-banding-ir-mag-line-magenta-cast/?do=findComment&comment=92272'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 13, 2006 Posted November 13, 2006 Hi eronald, Take a look here All in One Example: Banding, IR, , Mag Line., Magenta cast. . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mike prevette Posted November 13, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 13, 2006 I look at this, and all I think is banana and nutella crepes. yum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share #3 Posted November 13, 2006 I look at this, and all I think is banana and nutella crepes. yum. Place Clichy, Wepler. Their salty stuff is good too. This place is a good alternative to the hamburger joint on the other side of the street. Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted November 13, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 13, 2006 edmund... the photo seems to me very overexposed..... in fact so un-acurate that i cannot even know what was the exact lighting there..... pleasee........... a few threads here asked not to talk about m8 problems at the moment untill leica will come up wit their solutions or some further comments and statements.... so please... if u want to post it - post directly to leica.... and leica please - open some path, so that owner users who have problems will be able to talk with u somewhat more directly in meantime and not through public forum........ i think u will help many people here (especialy the owners) to avoid the talks once they have some path to share their experience with u......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayerische Posted November 13, 2006 Share #5 Posted November 13, 2006 This shot reminds me of the Kodak sensor quality of the Kodak DCS 520 / Canon EOS 1N / D2000. But that's almost 10years ago:) The speakers front is normally black as night. (Not M8 picture, but a bit similar to my mind atleast) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9116-all-in-one-example-banding-ir-mag-line-magenta-cast/?do=findComment&comment=92311'>More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 13, 2006 Share #6 Posted November 13, 2006 Mate I see your problem but honestly if you exposed film in that way you would be in all sorts of trouble. Cripes. This one is a chuckle really. Can't blame the camera here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 13, 2006 Share #7 Posted November 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) lucky i dont see any green blobs ? Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 13, 2006 Share #8 Posted November 13, 2006 Give it a sec, you will Rob, that womans hair must be so close to combusting and melting down in blobs into Andreas speaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 13, 2006 Share #9 Posted November 13, 2006 well speaking of the dreaded green blobs my LC-1 with its huge wide converter produces such things in sun flare all the time and a truer green you never saw which leads me to wonder maybe the image circle or the various lenses used is responsible for M8's green blobs Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 13, 2006 Share #10 Posted November 13, 2006 pleasee........... a few threads here asked not to talk about m8 problems at the moment untill leica will come up wit their solutions or some further comments and statements....so please... if u want to post it - post directly to leica.... ...and keep everyone who might be thinking of buying the camera and coming here for information in the dark. :-/ Honestly, after six months (or more) of reading posts on this forum that the M8 would without any shadow of a doubt be the best digital camera the world (no darnit, the UNIVERSE) would ever see, i think those of us who have the camera on order can actually get to see what we're getting into. (if that's ok with all the Leica fans?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twom4 Posted November 13, 2006 Share #11 Posted November 13, 2006 My favourite Crepes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sievers Posted November 13, 2006 Share #12 Posted November 13, 2006 I would have to work very hard to get my D200 to do this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkone Posted November 13, 2006 Share #13 Posted November 13, 2006 The only thing that you've proven is how a very poorly exposed M8 exposure can look so horrible. This is not a "real world" example of the M8 as an imaging tool. Perhaps you should look at the photo thread and see what the M8 is normally capable of. Instead of trying to fan the flames why don't you try posting one of the shots that you made that you DID expose correctly. I seriously don't understand why people are so keen to post bad images that they've made just to make a point that's already been made a thousand times over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayh Posted November 13, 2006 Share #14 Posted November 13, 2006 FWIW, I found the banding to exacerbated by underexposure, especially at high ISOs. Yes, this photo is slightly overexposed, but if the exposure were reduced to not clip that bright highlight, I think you would find that the banding would be exaggerated by the boost in exposure necessary to compensate for the underexposure of the shadow areas. That was my experience when actually using the M8 for the three days prior to returning it. I think the more examples of M8 failures that are posted here, the more information that the Leica engineers will have to work from, and it will also incentivize Leica to put a solution to these problems on a fast track. I also think this is very much a real world example of the M8 as an imaging tool. This in fact is probably what a user would get when the camera is turned to 'A' and quickly used to take a shot. We shouldn't sneer at so-called dummy-mode. Quite a few cameras take excellent pictures in this mode. Even the M8 can generate some quite excellent pictures in 'A' mode. Just not consistently yet. [ QUOTE=newyorkone]The only thing that you've proven is how a very poorly exposed M8 exposure can look so horrible. This is not a "real world" example of the M8 as an imaging tool. Perhaps you should look at the photo thread and see what the M8 is normally capable of. Instead of trying to fan the flames why don't you try posting one of the shots that you made that you DID expose correctly. I seriously don't understand why people are so keen to post bad images that they've made just to make a point that's already been made a thousand times over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted November 13, 2006 Share #15 Posted November 13, 2006 are you serious about testing? Come on! 1- we need real life testing, ie: a shot you would try to sell! would you try to sell a shot with this ligthing and composition if it had the right colors, no banding etc. ???? come on give us a break!!!! 2- I see the default you mention, except the ear!!! when I was a kid (I still do it to have fun with my daughters) I used to point a flash light in my mouth.... and guess what??? my face got red!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, you can try with your hand too, where your fingers are thiner, they show red.... and guess what???? it works with your ear too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. You need a damn good incredible camera to guess that your red ear is not red, when it actually sees it red with this lighting. Do you want the M8 to grab what it sees or also guess it needs correction when light goes through thin skin!!! ???? Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayerische Posted November 13, 2006 Share #16 Posted November 13, 2006 Talking about the ear... If it in deed took the form of a flashlight shining trough your skin so it got red, I think the lighting over the kiosk should be a 1000w + lightsource. Just my .02. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted November 13, 2006 Share #17 Posted November 13, 2006 I don't think so, my typical emergency light has 2 X 1,5v batteries in it..... and when you see the over exposed face of the girl on the left side, you do not need 1000 W to get skin look red, with the light on the picture and back lighting, it is far enough to get this. Talking about the ear... If it in deed took the form of a flashlight shining trough your skin so it got red, I think the lighting over the kiosk should be a 1000w + lightsource. Just my .02. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share #18 Posted November 13, 2006 I have added pointers. The most interesting is the banding here. Edmund Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9116-all-in-one-example-banding-ir-mag-line-magenta-cast/?do=findComment&comment=92559'>More sharing options...
happysnappy Posted November 13, 2006 Share #19 Posted November 13, 2006 I have ears just like that, one day I hope there will be a cure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 13, 2006 Share #20 Posted November 13, 2006 Edmund, I think a more meaningful (and emotional) picture would be a great one which was ruined by the flaws. When a picture isn't a keeper anyway, why bother analysing it? Maybe if this shot had been exposed better it wouldn't have happened? We will never know. About the fringing, what raw converter did you use? That looks to me like something ACR would produce. I stopped using ACR for that reason, among others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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