cbretteville Posted November 12, 2006 Share #61 Posted November 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Carl , thank you very much . Just saved me from actually reading the manual. Forgot to mention, your 3502 must be a "mod 4" or later. There is a sticker on it that tells you, have to remove it from the flash though. - C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 12, 2006 Share #62 Posted November 12, 2006 Thanks Carl someone just sent me a e-mail on that. This board is great, is it not. Nice when we work together to solve issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph S. Wisniewski Posted November 14, 2006 Share #63 Posted November 14, 2006 Marc, You can put an IR filter on a flash head, though I don't know if anyone sells dichroic filters big enough for this. The problem, of course, is that if you're shooting groups or receptions, the folks in the background (esp. if you're dragging the shutter) will be illuminated by tungsten or ambient, and will therefore exhibit color shift. Filtering the lens or the sensor is definitely an easier approach to deal with. But if you're still looking for a flash sized dichroic, let me know what continent you're on, and I'll see who's a local source for you. These things are easy to get in square "lighting grade" 6 inch to 2 feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 14, 2006 Share #64 Posted November 14, 2006 Ah, so you can get a big dichoic filter. That's good. Another thing to watch out for, Marc, is overheating your flash. The "hot mirror" really IS a mirror for IR and if you swathe your flash in it it will reflect a lot of heat back into the unit. Experiment a little & make sure you leave some room for air circulation so the head doesn't overheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 14, 2006 Share #65 Posted November 14, 2006 So, based on this info, maybe you could make a diffuser & IR bounce cobo unit that sits away from the flash head. Wait, I've got another wildly simple scheme !!!! I'll post it as a separate idea ... maybe Leica could pick up on it : -) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 14, 2006 Share #66 Posted November 14, 2006 For studio work that's exactly how I'd do it, Marc; if you're shooting with flash on a bracket, you could use alligator clips on a wire or something to hold it in front of the tube like a cinematic gel in front of a continuous light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 14, 2006 Share #67 Posted November 14, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) On a Metz it maybe great. More bloody filters I have to buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 14, 2006 Share #68 Posted November 14, 2006 HEY !!!! Can an IR filter be placed on a flash head? Would that do anything? My main problem will be shooting weddings which always require at least fill flash at the receptions. This would eliminate some of the issues for me. Need technoid opinions please. Marc, Just try the lens filters. Otherwise things become more complicated than needed because, as you know, light is almost always mixed to some degree. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 14, 2006 Share #69 Posted November 14, 2006 I agree Sean. Waaaay to much work for a camera I wouldn't use much in the studio anyway ... that's more MF digital territory. I guess filters are what the Doc ordered ... sigh ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 14, 2006 Share #70 Posted November 14, 2006 Still trying like crazy to get a 55mm in stock for my 24mm . What a pain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpbender Posted November 14, 2006 Share #71 Posted November 14, 2006 Trust! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted November 15, 2006 Share #72 Posted November 15, 2006 This is not about the problems of the M8 per se, though I am among those who won't accept the add-on IR filter as the solution, and let Leica get away with it. This is about Leica's attitude. Can some of the millionaires who find it so funny to buy a $4,500 defective camera, or the «constructive critics», tell me: 1) Why did Leica put the M8 on the market when they knew it was gravely faulty? 2) Why do they, as we speak, knowingly keep shipping said faulty cameras to distributors around the world by the hundreds if not thousands, to be sold to customers, with the result that, like many others, I know in advance that my particular unit WILL be defective? 3) Why won't Leica tell my dealer what they intend to do with defective cameras once they are sold to the poor suckers? I already know that I'll probably receive my M8 around mid-december, fork $4,500, take a couple of quick pictures to confirm that my particular unit has magenta cast and streaking, put the thing back it its box and have my dealer sent it back for repairs. Then I know I will have to wait for weeks, if not months, to recover what will amount to be - as someone else already put it - a refurbished M8. Now, if you find this reason to rejoice, I don't. But, of course, I'm not rich guys. I'm poor and angry and frustrated. And I feel trapped by Leica, and lied to by Leica, and scr... by Leica. Sorry, Guy and others, I see you're having fun. I'm not. No, I can't cancel my order because I have already invested lots of traded-in gear in the M8. And I also want my dealer to go through with his sale because he's a nice guy, and he's the only Leica dealer in my corner of the woods, and I want him to succeed. Now, prove me I'm wrong to vent my frustration in the hope that Leica will right this wrong, and I will stand corrected. In the meantime, againt, don't kill the messengers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted November 15, 2006 Share #73 Posted November 15, 2006 Olivier, I was about to disconnect when I noticed your contribution. I think you are fairly stressed for various reasons and somehow need to have a break from these M8 issues. Not so easy to do, but just be re-assured that in short time a new perspective will present itself and you will be fully re-assured with your investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayh Posted November 15, 2006 Share #74 Posted November 15, 2006 Two scenarios spring to mind. 1) Leica really intend to fix the problems and want M8s in as many hands as possible so they can get their engineers to come up with comprehensive solutions based on real-world usage. Or, alternatively, for the cynical MBAs who remember their classes in short term financial management : 2) There is a major year-end cash crunch Leica is facing, and if they can just get over the hump, they will be able to attend to these problems as they arise. And if they don't get over the hump, well... so what? *** Don't berate me for the last suggestion. I'm not trying to be ugly. This is a legitimate business approach and uses the same reasoning they use in airplane emergencies when they suggest you put on YOUR oxygen mask first before you help your neighbor. You can't help someone else if you are passed out.*** This is not about the problems of the M8 per se, though I am among those who won't accept the add-on IR filter as the solution, and let Leica get away with it. This is about Leica's attitude. Can some of the millionaires who find it so funny to buy a $4,500 defective camera, or the «constructive critics», tell me: 1) Why did Leica put the M8 on the market when they knew it was gravely faulty? 2) Why do they, as we speak, knowingly keep shipping said faulty cameras to distributors around the world by the hundreds if not thousands, to be sold to customers, with the result that, like many others, I know in advance that my particular unit WILL be defective? 3) Why won't Leica tell my dealer what they intend to do with defective cameras once they are sold to the poor suckers? I already know that I'll probably receive my M8 around mid-december, fork $4,500, take a couple of quick pictures to confirm that my particular unit has magenta cast and streaking, put the thing back it its box and have my dealer sent it back for repairs. Then I know I will have to wait for weeks, if not months, to recover what will amount to be - as someone else already put it - a refurbished M8. Now, if you find this reason to rejoice, I don't. But, of course, I'm not rich guys. I'm poor and angry and frustrated. And I feel trapped by Leica, and lied to by Leica, and scr... by Leica. Sorry, Guy and others, I see you're having fun. I'm not. No, I can't cancel my order because I have already invested lots of traded-in gear in the M8. And I also want my dealer to go through with his sale because he's a nice guy, and he's the only Leica dealer in my corner of the woods, and I want him to succeed. Now, prove me I'm wrong to vent my frustration in the hope that Leica will right this wrong, and I will stand corrected. In the meantime, againt, don't kill the messengers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 15, 2006 Share #75 Posted November 15, 2006 This is not about the problems of the M8 per se, though I am among those who won't accept the add-on IR filter as the solution, and let Leica get away with it. This is about Leica's attitude. Can some of the millionaires who find it so funny to buy a $4,500 defective camera, or the «constructive critics», tell me: 1) Why did Leica put the M8 on the market when they knew it was gravely faulty? 2) Why do they, as we speak, knowingly keep shipping said faulty cameras to distributors around the world by the hundreds if not thousands, to be sold to customers, with the result that, like many others, I know in advance that my particular unit WILL be defective? 3) Why won't Leica tell my dealer what they intend to do with defective cameras once they are sold to the poor suckers? I already know that I'll probably receive my M8 around mid-december, fork $4,500, take a couple of quick pictures to confirm that my particular unit has magenta cast and streaking, put the thing back it its box and have my dealer sent it back for repairs. Then I know I will have to wait for weeks, if not months, to recover what will amount to be - as someone else already put it - a refurbished M8. Now, if you find this reason to rejoice, I don't. But, of course, I'm not rich guys. I'm poor and angry and frustrated. And I feel trapped by Leica, and lied to by Leica, and scr... by Leica. Sorry, Guy and others, I see you're having fun. I'm not. No, I can't cancel my order because I have already invested lots of traded-in gear in the M8. And I also want my dealer to go through with his sale because he's a nice guy, and he's the only Leica dealer in my corner of the woods, and I want him to succeed. Now, prove me I'm wrong to vent my frustration in the hope that Leica will right this wrong, and I will stand corrected. In the meantime, againt, don't kill the messengers. Honestly there is not a person on this board that does not feel the same way at one time or another on this , and is completely understandable. I just can't or won't let it get me down. And I think we all are try to make the best of this situation. Trust me if I don't hear what i want to hear when they announce a fix , i will be right back at being upset. I would belive many others are as well. For the guys and lady's that have them in there hands today they simply are dead unless we make the best of it and find temp solutions to make it work. The wrong will be right again or they simply will vanish and they know it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevenrk Posted November 15, 2006 Share #76 Posted November 15, 2006 Trust me if I don't hear what i want to hear when they announce a fix , i will be right back at being upset. Guy, good to hear -- that would motivate me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 15, 2006 Share #77 Posted November 15, 2006 I agree Sean. Waaaay to much work for a camera I wouldn't use much in the studio anyway ... that's more MF digital territory. I guess filters are what the Doc ordered ... sigh ... I had the same thought initially about using the filters but so far it's been no big deal in practice. By all means, give it a whirl. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted November 15, 2006 Share #78 Posted November 15, 2006 Guy and others, thank you for your words of encouragement and solace. I know I will put up with the M8's flaws because I know it has many other tremendous qualities. But only for a while. And I cannot afford another $300 to $400 dollars worth of... filters, for crying out loud! Leica will probably come up with a solution. When and how remain to be seen. But even when things will have calmed down and all M8s will be fixed, I will not let Leica off the hook. Why did they keep selling the cameras when they knew they were faulty? This is so un-Leica-like. I don't think Hermes would knowingly sell a faulty scarf or handbag. Are they really that hungry for cash that they are willing to completely disregard basic business ethics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 15, 2006 Share #79 Posted November 15, 2006 We've said before that the M8 looks to have been shipped early by accident. The original date was end of November, they shipped a month earlier than anyone expected but I doubt Leica were driven at all by cash flow concerns to ship the camera no matter what. The new majority owners have very deep pockets, and are there for the long term. Of course they want to see the commercial situation improve but their over-riding concern will be to make the camera business a success and this will be just one of a number of issues on their to-do list. They will also want to make sure the D-Lux 3, V-Lux 1 and Digilux 3 get their fair share of the holiday market. The thing to do now is just sit and wait to hear what Leica's position is. The pictures on this web-site show it is already a great camera with just some specific areas of use - which many will have to go looking for - where it falls short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph S. Wisniewski Posted November 15, 2006 Share #80 Posted November 15, 2006 Guy and others, thank you for your words of encouragement and solace. I know I will put up with the M8's flaws because I know it has many other tremendous qualities. But only for a while. And I cannot afford another $300 to $400 dollars worth of... filters, for crying out loud! Leica will probably come up with a solution. When and how remain to be seen. But even when things will have calmed down and all M8s will be fixed, I will not let Leica off the hook. Why did they keep selling the cameras when they knew they were faulty? This is so un-Leica-like. I don't think Hermes would knowingly sell a faulty scarf or handbag. Are they really that hungry for cash that they are willing to completely disregard basic business ethics? Hermes has been out of the picture for quite some time. ACM acquired a majority of Leica Camera shares almost three years ago, and owns Leica Camera outright as of early 2006. If Hermes were still in control, you wouldn't have M8 IR sensitivity or banding problems, because you wouldn't have an M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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