Guest flatfour Posted July 6, 2009 Share #1 Posted July 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why can't Leica make a digital camera the size of the Leica III ? My Digilux 2 is excellent but too big. The D-Lux4 is excellent but too fiddly and has no viewfinder. Let's have a Leica III size digital of 10mp and fixed vario lens or interchangeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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krabat Posted July 6, 2009 Share #2 Posted July 6, 2009 Completely agree. Although, the final size may be disputed - if a little bit smaller than the Digilux 2, the better. If I had the choice I would prefer a real successor of the Digilux 2., which means in the first instance to keep the excellent lens with f 2 and 28-90 mm. 8 Mpix would be alright, better a higher ISO than more pixels. Size of the chip? Don't know what is really possible in such a small camera - 4/3? Or even APS? Besides the lens, it is important to keep the straightforward concept of the Digilux 2, its simple handling and its excellent jpeg engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 6, 2009 Share #3 Posted July 6, 2009 Why can't Leica make a digital camera the size of the Leica III ? My Digilux 2 is excellent but too big. The D-Lux4 is excellent but too fiddly and has no viewfinder. Let's have a Leica III size digital of 10mp and fixed vario lens or interchangeable. How about the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted July 6, 2009 Share #4 Posted July 6, 2009 or a Digilux 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinse Posted July 6, 2009 Share #5 Posted July 6, 2009 At the moment as far as I know: There will be no successor of the V-Lux.(no V-Lux 2) There will be no successor of the Digilux (no Digilux 4) There will be no successor of the R9 (no R10) So the total Leica line up will be: The C-Lux The D-Lux The M system The S System In this line up there is a huge gap between the D-Lux and the M system and between the M system and the S system. Surely Leica will have to do something to fill up these gaps. This is necessary for them if they want to survive as a company. Only I wonder how they are going to do this. They work together with Panasonic. Only Panasonic is interested in the 4/3 system and Leica is not. So how is Leica going to get its future models? I hope they will find a way out of this mess and we will have nice new camera's as I really like Leica, but I fear the worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 6, 2009 Share #6 Posted July 6, 2009 At the moment as far as I know: There will be no successor of the V-Lux.(no V-Lux 2) There will be no successor of the Digilux (no Digilux 4) There will be no successor of the R9 (no R10) So the total Leica line up will be: The C-Lux The D-Lux The M system The S System In this line up there is a huge gap between the D-Lux and the M system and between the M system and the S system. Surely Leica will have to do something to fill up these gaps. This is necessary for them if they want to survive as a company. Only I wonder how they are going to do this. They work together with Panasonic. Only Panasonic is interested in the 4/3 system and Leica is not. So how is Leica going to get its future models? I hope they will find a way out of this mess and we will have nice new camera's as I really like Leica, but I fear the worst. Hmmm I'd also like to see some gaps filled, but to call the C-lux, D-lux, M and S series a 'mess' seems pretty depressive - to me they represent a great range of 'off-beat but useful' cameras, and how can a small company do better? . . . by copying big companies with whom they can never hope to compete? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted July 6, 2009 Share #7 Posted July 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) the beloved D2 cannot get smaller because of the lens diameter which must be large to give us that glorious f2.0 - f2.4 zoom lens (used with the "smallish" 2/3 sensor). if we could suffer to own an f2.8-f4.0 zoom, the D2 could get smaller. OR ..... if some bright chip-making people could make a noise-free ISO1600 sensor ..... sorry, i just drooled all over myself...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted July 7, 2009 Share #8 Posted July 7, 2009 OR ..... if some bright chip-making people could make a noise-free ISO1600 sensor ..... sorry, i just drooled all over myself...... Hate to be the grinch that stole Christmas, Dave.... but you HAVE TO SEE THIS Straight out of the camera... resized for the web. Read the EXIF data .. it's on the page. JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted July 7, 2009 Share #9 Posted July 7, 2009 This is a clear example of the issue - they are just too far behind - and they are so poor at marketing and so great at engineering - not sense beating a dead horse but the DMR was the perfect answer .....well really a DMRII and then a DMR III Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted July 7, 2009 Share #10 Posted July 7, 2009 They probably can, but obviously chose not to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswksit Posted July 7, 2009 Share #11 Posted July 7, 2009 At the moment as far as I know: There will be no successor of the V-Lux.(no V-Lux 2) There will be no successor of the Digilux (no Digilux 4) There will be no successor of the R9 (no R10) So the total Leica line up will be: The C-Lux The D-Lux The M system The S System In this line up there is a huge gap between the D-Lux and the M system and between the M system and the S system. Surely Leica will have to do something to fill up these gaps. This is necessary for them if they want to survive as a company. Only I wonder how they are going to do this. They work together with Panasonic. Only Panasonic is interested in the 4/3 system and Leica is not. So how is Leica going to get its future models? I hope they will find a way out of this mess and we will have nice new camera's as I really like Leica, but I fear the worst. Yes, there are gaps in between. But it is necessary for Leica to fill up the gaps? Or shall it put more efforts on its prime lenses? I think the relationship between CZ and Sony would be an excellent example for Leica and Panasonic. Panasonic could be put more efforts on the mirco 4/3 camera body while Leica could be focus on the development of prime lenses for the system. Don't forget that mirco 4/3 is an open system, apart from Panasonic, OM would be another market. Leica's market position would be even better than CZ in this regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinse Posted July 7, 2009 Share #12 Posted July 7, 2009 HmmmI'd also like to see some gaps filled, but to call the C-lux, D-lux, M and S series a 'mess' seems pretty depressive - to me they represent a great range of 'off-beat but useful' cameras, and how can a small company do better? . . . by copying big companies with whom they can never hope to compete? Sorry if I came over rude (my bad english) I did not mean that the Leica camera models are a mess. But for Leica businesswise, with regard to the huge gaps, it seems rather a big mess to me. I really hope they will get through this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 7, 2009 Share #13 Posted July 7, 2009 And how do you propose a small company of limited resources fills these gaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 7, 2009 Share #14 Posted July 7, 2009 And how do you propose a small company of limited resources fills these gaps? How about making use of their partnership with Panasonic and jointly manufacturing a FULL FRAME version of the G1 with a Leica R lens mount. Thus make a FF non-SLR Digital R camera . Perhaps there is something already in the offing like this given that Leica have stated that although there will be no R10 there will be a digital solution to enable use of R lenses. Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted July 7, 2009 Share #15 Posted July 7, 2009 John T ..... i have to read up on chips and what's out there on the street ! .... didn't even know some went to ISO6400 !! ..... and the noise (at 72dpi anyway ) is not bad at all. denniswksit .... i'm with you on the topic of leica and 4/3 lenses (let others make the various bodies). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flatfour Posted July 7, 2009 Share #16 Posted July 7, 2009 The "trouble" with the Digilux 2 is that it is so good that it has caught people unawares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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