ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Share #1 Posted July 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I posted several RAW conversions of an ISO 2500 images shot with an M8 in available daylight. I am less than 3 weeks into the M8 and less that 1 week in C1. I have also posted in a further thread 'base' conversions using Aperture and ACR. It's here if you are interested. I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing their own 'best' conversion of my RAW file in C1 and then posting back here. I (like the rest of the M8 community) have spend a small fortune on my M8/lens (yes I only have one so far) and I'm determined to get the best I can from my combo. Here s my 'best' to date. PM me if you are interested and please post the resultant conversion here - with some 'pointers' on how you achieved this. Thanks in advance. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89971-reference-raw-conversion/?do=findComment&comment=954291'>More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 6, 2009 Share #2 Posted July 6, 2009 Ian, did you switch off the default sharpening in C1? And did you limit noise reduction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted July 6, 2009 Ian, did you switch off the default sharpening in C1? And did you limit noise reduction? Yes it's off to sharpening. I should add that I did some PP work on the 'output' TIFF in CS3 to modify levels and increase sharpness and recover a little detail in the pages of the book. If I am honest, I just don't know what I am doing 'up here' at ISO 2500 as I have never been able to use it before - the D2x files are horrible above ISO 800 so I've never used anything before. Any N/R was minimal and in CS3 as my Noise Ninja license has stopped working! To be honest, the more I look my 'final' results the less I like them. I'm happy with the output up to ISO 640. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 6, 2009 Share #4 Posted July 6, 2009 What you could do quite easily to this image is to "magic wand" thge wall to select it and apply gaussian blur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted July 6, 2009 Share #5 Posted July 6, 2009 Ian, where did you put the original RAW file to download? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted July 6, 2009 Ian, where did you put the original RAW file to download? I haven't yet. I could place it on a website I have - its 10mb. Is that OK, I can PM you the details? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #7 Posted July 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just post it here or use yousendit.com to upload the file and post the link here. I'll give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted July 6, 2009 Just post it here or use yousendit.com to upload the file and post the link here. I'll give it a go. Done. Please post your results. I've since managed to do a better one but it's early days. Try this: http://www.tunni.co.uk/L1000132.DNG.zip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #9 Posted July 6, 2009 Ok, here's a really quick fix in C1 (I was working there anyway, so...) You've actually exposed this very nicely in some ways for ISO 2500, because the detail in the face is great. Unfortunately, the book page is blown, though. That's ok, because you could fix that in photoshop. But this is all from C1, and took less than a minute to fix: white balance is the most important thing here. I don't know the subject, but I know her skin isn't green. So I adjusted the white balance only till the skin was reading ok values (in the CMYK preview for me, but you could use RGB too) Black point: really, a lot of this picture is visual noise (not noisy but unnecessary) so I hiked the black point to isolate the subject more. There's still some detail though, like the back of her hair and the couch crop vignette: Yes, Leica's lenses don't vignette that much So I add some in C1 (pro) contrast: playing a bit with the curve in the highlights (and the whitepoint LEVELS slider) gives me a tonal gradation--even in ISO 2500--that I quite like. As That's it. The shot would have to go to PS for some more dodging and burning and other print things (like sharpening) but on the whole, a perfectly usable portrait at high ISO with the M8... Original (resized only): Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Fixed: PS--I'm noticing that in the browser, my version looks too red (not the same as it does in C1. Don't know why that is, except Firefox might have some bugs in it yet ) Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Fixed: PS--I'm noticing that in the browser, my version looks too red (not the same as it does in C1. Don't know why that is, except Firefox might have some bugs in it yet ) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89971-reference-raw-conversion/?do=findComment&comment=954589'>More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted July 6, 2009 Jamie It's very red for me using Safari. Did you convert to sRGB? Anyway, thanks for posting. Here is my latest effort. Improving? It's had more N/R in CS3 and using history brush/fade to reduce the effect on the face & main subject. Also added some clone stamp and burn to reduce the impact of the picture frames and finally used gausian blur on the background which I again used history brush/fade to graduate it's effect. Tiniest bit of sharpening to the eyes only. Original above. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89971-reference-raw-conversion/?do=findComment&comment=954681'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #11 Posted July 6, 2009 It's definitely getting better--but look at how green the pages of the book are. Her skin needs to be more "brown" and less "green" I don't know why the file I posted looks so terribly magenta. It's very strange... it's definitely sRGB. Do me a favour, save that file and open it in PS and see if it doesn't change... But red is where you need to go to fix her skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted July 6, 2009 Here is it uploaded again. It definite looks less red is PS CS3 than in the browser. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89971-reference-raw-conversion/?do=findComment&comment=954802'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #13 Posted July 6, 2009 Ian, Isn't that odd that it should look wrong in Safari and Firefox but not in C1 or PS? When you reposted it, it looks just like the one I posted. But in C1 or PS it looks right (and it measures correctly, so that's what I'm really concerned with). Maybe someone can tell us why I can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted July 6, 2009 And finally....... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89971-reference-raw-conversion/?do=findComment&comment=954830'>More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted July 6, 2009 Share #15 Posted July 6, 2009 I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing their own 'best' conversion of my RAW file in C1 and then posting back here. Sure, you can email me the file at: ammitsbol at mac.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted July 6, 2009 Share #16 Posted July 6, 2009 PS--I'm noticing that in the browser, my version looks too red (not the same as it does in C1. Don't know why that is, except Firefox might have some bugs in it yet ) Don't attach the sRGB profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #17 Posted July 6, 2009 Ian--I think I'd rather print my red version--her skin still looks blue / cyanotic. There's something wrong with the white balance in your version, despite the photoshop... Here's mine corrected in PS. On a Mac it's going to look brighter (if the gamma is set to 1.8)... PS is great for finishing a file, but it all starts with C1... (BTW this also looks too saturated, but it's a lot closer) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89971-reference-raw-conversion/?do=findComment&comment=954910'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #18 Posted July 6, 2009 Don't attach the sRGB profile. Henrik--that makes no sense whatsoever. Why wouldn't you put the profile in for a colour managed browser again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ammitsboel Posted July 6, 2009 Share #19 Posted July 6, 2009 Henrik--that makes no sense whatsoever. Why wouldn't you put the profile in for a colour managed browser again? I know it doesn't make sense. But the color conversion is utter crap in browsers, windows and mac viewers. It will destroy your color work more than if you just don't attach the profile. I believe this is what graphical designers does. H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 6, 2009 Share #20 Posted July 6, 2009 I know it doesn't make sense.But the color conversion is utter crap in browsers, windows and mac viewers. It will destroy your color work more than if you just don't attach the profile. I believe this is what graphical designers does. H Hmmm. I don't think so...graphic designers first convert to sRGB then don't attach the profile because of the extra file size it can create (It can make a very small JPEG quite large depending on the profile size). Anyway, I hear what you're saying But it should do no harm at all to attach a ColorMatch or sRGB profile to a JPEG (other than file size). I agree, though, FireFox's colour management is apparently not very good yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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