mustafasoleiman Posted July 4, 2009 Share #1 Posted July 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) i have just come back from shooting some images and after downloading, i realised that five images are completely missing from the sd card. the number sequence is also showing the gap and i remember looking at them on the lcd screen right after shooting them. i did not turn the camera off, and yes the battery now shows the last quarter, but i shot some more after i realised the images were missing, and i had no problems. new m8.2 (three weeks old), latest firmware, shot about 200 pictures with it without problems... the images were raw, no jpgs, and they simply were not there, that is no black file or whatever... any suggestion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glenerrolrd Posted July 4, 2009 Share #2 Posted July 4, 2009 First thing try a rescue program to see if the images were damaged. Photorescue is a good one and has always recovered my lost images. While I have no proof, I believe that the M8 is very sensitive to low voltage problems. My rule of thumb is to change the battery after 200+ images . While you can go farther maybe up to 400 with a new fully charged battery, you may experience problems where the camera didn t write the DNG to the card or at least it didn t close the file . Since this only seems to happen with a weak battery...it can be avoided. The only other problem I have had is when sharing sd cards between different cameras and then forgetting to reformat the card . The problem doesn t always happen immediately sometimes you may shoot 20-30 images then ...you get a card full message. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 4, 2009 Share #3 Posted July 4, 2009 I've had that happen but it was with a nearly full SD card, only 11-15 shots of space left on the card, and the battery was on it''s last bar. That was about 2 months ago and I've never had this happen in the past or since then. As for a rescue program in my case the shots were nowhere to be found. They simply did not get recorded to the card. But you can and probably should try one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaMSeattle Posted July 4, 2009 Share #4 Posted July 4, 2009 I just had the same thing happen to me a week ago. I noticed that instead of the image just shot blink onto the LCD briefly after each shot, only the image number appeared on a black screen. The image preceeding only records a portion of image and until you remove the memory card and battery to reset the camera does the camera continues to not record images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted July 4, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted July 4, 2009 Many thanks for the advice. Luckily the missing images were not that important, so I reformatted the card anyway. Hopefully it was a card error which formatting sorts out. The only other thing I can attribute it to is the battery being low... or the camera back buttons hitting my side and deleting the images one by one. Damn I guess it's something else to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted July 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted July 4, 2009 Seattle- What size and brand of card were you using? I had the same problem and mentioned it here on the forum previously. I am hoping to find some kind of correlation so we can all avoid the problem in the future. My card was a 16 GB Transcend. I was able to review all my images in the camera following the session, but on download the last 25% were missing; on reinserting the card, the image numbers were displayed across the middle of the LCD instead of the image. No software recovery solution worked. I have sent the card to one of the recovery companies who told me the problem was not that uncommon for 16 GB SD HC cards. Still waiting to see if they can recover anything from the missing images. Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 4, 2009 Share #7 Posted July 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) As for the buttons on the back I've gotten so tired of lifting the camera to my eye and seeing the LCD on with some option being selected I've put nylon washers around the buttons. Now that never happens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/89799-missing-images/?do=findComment&comment=952961'>More sharing options...
Dougg Posted July 5, 2009 Share #8 Posted July 5, 2009 I have not had missing images for quite some time now, but when I first got the M8 it was not unusual for there to be a few randomly-placed image numbers to be skipped. I have image review turned off so was never sure the "missing" images were ever recorded. But in some instances I remembered taking a shot that was not on the card. I had developed the (bad?) habit of turning off the camera immediately after a shot. So I speculated maybe this was the cause of the unrecorded shots and stopped doing that. Also I discarded a bad card, so that might have been the cause. I'm using SanDisk Extreme III and Ultra II, plain SD 2Gb not SDHC. In any case it's not happening now. Shootist those washers are a slick trick. Nothing stuck on there to prevent the on/off switch from going unwanted to the "C" position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2009 Share #9 Posted July 5, 2009 I have not seen this in well over 20.000 images. I use Sandisk cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 5, 2009 Share #10 Posted July 5, 2009 Shootist those washers are a slick trick. Nothing stuck on there to prevent the on/off switch from going unwanted to the "C" position? No I don't seem to have a problem with the switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted July 5, 2009 Share #11 Posted July 5, 2009 I don t think its a problem with the card but rather the new software or the batteries. I had this happen about 5-6 times with three different M8s. Two were brand new M8.2s and one was a M8 with the upgrades. It happened with sandisk,lexar and transcend cards both 2 and 4gb. It never happened before software release 2.04 . It happened on very cold damp days and hasn t occurred at all this summer. It always stars with a write error and then the "Card Full Message". It always clears with a new battery and card change out. Sometimes just taking out the battery and putting it back in will clear it. (why chance it if you corrupted the card with an incomplete write?). I rotate my batteries but haven t found a reliable way to test them . They all still charge and seem to provide at least 200 captures ...but the originals are now over 2 years old. Seattle-What size and brand of card were you using? I had the same problem and mentioned it here on the forum previously. I am hoping to find some kind of correlation so we can all avoid the problem in the future. My card was a 16 GB Transcend. I was able to review all my images in the camera following the session, but on download the last 25% were missing; on reinserting the card, the image numbers were displayed across the middle of the LCD instead of the image. No software recovery solution worked. I have sent the card to one of the recovery companies who told me the problem was not that uncommon for 16 GB SD HC cards. Still waiting to see if they can recover anything from the missing images. Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted July 5, 2009 The card is a Sundisk Extreme III 2gb. I use it only in this camera, and as I said there was no hint of anything going wrong. I took the picture, it showed on the lcd... I even turned the lcd on again to compare it with another one shot on a different camera, shot a few more, never turned the camera off. Warm day, sunny...etc etc. Got back to the studio, downloaded images and noticed those five were missing from a total of forty images I had shot. Checked the numbers and yes the sequence was missing, all contiguous 5 files. They simply vanished. They were the last five images I shot, but I did not turn the camera off, and once I notices the images missing I took some more to see if it was the battery, but it all worked fine... baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted July 5, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted July 5, 2009 As for the buttons on the back I've gotten so tired of lifting the camera to my eye and seeing the LCD on with some option being selected I've put nylon washers around the buttons. Now that never happens.[ATTACH]150528[/ATTACH] I like your solution... where can one find those washers and did you glue them around the buttons? I have the same problem with the lcd frequently turning itself on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 5, 2009 Share #14 Posted July 5, 2009 I like your solution... where can one find those washers and did you glue them around the buttons? I have the same problem with the lcd frequently turning itself on. You can find them at most good hardware stores. You might even find them in a black color or clear. The local hardware store I got mine from only had them in white. There are numerous places on the web you could order them from but I thought it best to take the camera with me and try out the different sizes, as far as the outside diameter, center hole and the thickness. Sorry but I don't remember what size I used. I bought 6 of them, 3 for each M8 but I haven't put them on my black M8 as I'm thinking of selling that one. I used superglue as this M8 is going to be with me a long time. I originally use cabinet door bumpers that I punched a hole through the middle exposing the buttons but they tended to come off and I got tired of punching hole through them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trs Posted July 5, 2009 Share #15 Posted July 5, 2009 This is now more and more sounding like it might be the firmware issue. As I had posted earlier as well, my whole SD card was empty and I know I shot many pictures with that card. I still have not gotten around trying to rescue data if there is any. Using SanDisk II 2GB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted July 5, 2009 Share #16 Posted July 5, 2009 This is now more and more sounding like it might be the firmware issue. As I had posted earlier as well, my whole SD card was empty and I know I shot many pictures with that card. I still have not gotten around trying to rescue data if there is any. Using SanDisk II 2GB. I totallly disagree. It is not a firmware problem/issue. If it was you would see missing images post every day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougg Posted July 6, 2009 Share #17 Posted July 6, 2009 Firmware? Dunno, but all my missing pics occurred under firmware versions prior to 2.0, none since. Opposite of what has been suggested... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaMSeattle Posted July 6, 2009 Share #18 Posted July 6, 2009 Seattle-What size and brand of card were you using? I had the same problem and mentioned it here on the forum previously. I am hoping to find some kind of correlation so we can all avoid the problem in the future. My card was a 16 GB Transcend. I was able to review all my images in the camera following the session, but on download the last 25% were missing; on reinserting the card, the image numbers were displayed across the middle of the LCD instead of the image. No software recovery solution worked. I have sent the card to one of the recovery companies who told me the problem was not that uncommon for 16 GB SD HC cards. Still waiting to see if they can recover anything from the missing images. Joe I'm using Sandisk Ultra II 4gig cards which I have (4) that I rotate around and format after each download. I would doubt if rescue software would be of any help if there is no information written onto the card after the last error written image was partially recorded. I'm just a lot more vigilant in paying attention to what the camera is doing a lot more closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trs Posted July 6, 2009 Share #19 Posted July 6, 2009 Shootist/Doug, You both maybe right, but I just feel that I heard about missing image after 2.04 (or 2.4 no camera with me righ now) time frame. It is probably just perception I get. In my case, first time it happened with current firmware, none before that. Wonder what is causing though. Could it be SD card OS if not somethin in the camera? This is really scary because in my case, I was previewing images I took. When I got home, not a single image in the disk. So, it almost sounds like somebody is messing up the directory chain. I am horrified to think that someday what happened to me (loosing all images from the card) would happened to somebody who is actually on assignment. Data loss is a huge issue. I hope Leica is aware of the issue and investigating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougg Posted July 6, 2009 Share #20 Posted July 6, 2009 Information on the problem at this point seems not to have been yet nailed down to something consistent. Or perhaps there's more than one cause... one thing supporting that latter view is that member "mustafasoleiman" has seen multiple sequential files go missing on a nearly full card, whereas in my case it was several randomly placed files not in sequence. It seems most mysterious to have actually seen files in Play review that turned up missing later. That would point to a problem on the card, whether the fault of the camera or the card. The files were initially recorded but later removed/damaged somehow. In my case I had supposed that turning the camera's main switch to off while the file was still being written (red light blinking) had interrupted the process and made the file unreadable. I didn't *always* do that; just sometimes. I never saw the image before turning off the camera. (And didn't expect to, with instant review turned off). Maybe there's no connection, and I have not run tests, but I'm not so hasty to turn off the camera any more... and I have not had any more missing files either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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