rob_x2004 Posted June 16, 2009 Share #41 Posted June 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, but there's no viewfinder so you'd need to focus using the rear screen. Near on impossible in practice I'd reckon. Better to use whats sposed to be on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 16, 2009 Posted June 16, 2009 Hi rob_x2004, Take a look here Olympus take a bite at the m8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stevelap Posted June 16, 2009 Share #42 Posted June 16, 2009 ......But how can it be more expansive than the G1, which has an EVF? The comparison should be with the GH1, which has HD video similar to the Olympus. In the UK the GH1 is much more expensive, over £1000 with a kit lens, although as you say it does have a built-in EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted June 16, 2009 Share #43 Posted June 16, 2009 Near on impossible in practice I'd reckon. Better to use whats sposed to be on it. I tend to agree with Rob and Steve here. With M lenses mounted you'd have to use manual focus via the LCD, either at arms length or on a tripod. The G1/GH1 would be a better solution in that respect I suspect........at least you can manually focus M lenses looking through the built-in EVF. With the Olympus it will probably be better to stick with AF lenses, especially if using the (17mm only) accessory optical VF for framing. It would seem to be a case of either 'frame then focus' or 'focus then frame' when using MF, as it appears you can't do both with the camera at the eye. I know little about the P&S world though, so perhaps this arms length stuff would be second nature for those used to it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 16, 2009 Share #44 Posted June 16, 2009 Lots of G1 detractors here, but at least the camera has a viewfinder, even if it's not to everyone's taste. It's disappointing the Olympus does not have even a basic G10 style viewfinder. I wonder how many of the G1 detractors have actually used the camera? It is one of the most versatile cameras ever produced IMO especially for Leica users and Jonathan Eastland's article supports the fact. Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted June 16, 2009 Share #45 Posted June 16, 2009 I think it's a pretty cool camera and like the fact they combined the art modes with RAW file capability something my LX3 doesn't do. I do agree that the LCD's are difficult to use in bright sun and the low ppi count on it should have been better but the plus side is I can use my existing OM lenses with the adapter and my new Voigtlander 15 mm F4.5 I just bought as well as my other Leica glass. There's always going to be the coulda, shoulda, woulda and why isn't it built like a pro camera for $699 (US price for body on Amazon) posters but that is not the market segment for this camera and it has packed a whole lot of useful stuff in a very handsome and compact package. I see one in my bag when they are available right next to my M8 but not replacing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 16, 2009 Share #46 Posted June 16, 2009 More information here E-P1 Olympus E-P1 Hands-on Preview: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review Olympus E-P1 preview Olympus E-P1 Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted June 16, 2009 Share #47 Posted June 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have you seen files from it yet? Does it have an auto focus lock that you can use to range in when the lens is set to manual focus, I couldnt find that in the specs, nor how to electronically manual focus. Im not sure about how open the body is, it looks a bit leaky, Im not sure I would want to sit it down on a damp table or have it out in the rain. I was surprised how well both the nikon and canon were built, and functionally set out compared with the panaleicas but you reckon this olympus is better? Thats pretty interesting. Fairly early days and Ive not seen one in the flesh but you seem to reckon its pretty good? Not seen files yet. But it uses the same sensor as the E620, which I happen to own. I doubt you wanted to claim that G10 or D-lux4/Lx3 sensors (the LX3 I have as well) are a match. If its IQ is at the the E620 level, yes, then it is pretty good, for a compact digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 16, 2009 Share #48 Posted June 16, 2009 Forgive me, but don't the micro-4/3 system have, essentially, a doubling factor on lens length? For that reason alone I wouldn't use my R glass (or M glass) on any of these cameras. If I was going to buy one, I'd use an Oly optimised 14 or something like that. I hate the crop factor these cameras have; there's just no point at all replacing an Oly-optimised design with a Leica lens, except for giggles. I also don't like the lack of a VF of any kind. So this won't even take a nibble out of the M8. I just wish Leica would hurry up already with the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffster Posted June 16, 2009 Share #49 Posted June 16, 2009 I'm almost regretting that I bought a D-Lux 4 recently.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 16, 2009 Share #50 Posted June 16, 2009 Forgive me, but don't the micro-4/3 system have, essentially, a doubling factor on lens length? For that reason alone I wouldn't use my R glass (or M glass) on any of these cameras. If I was going to buy one, I'd use an Oly optimised 14 or something like that. I hate the crop factor these cameras have; there's just no point at all replacing an Oly-optimised design with a Leica lens, except for giggles. I also don't like the lack of a VF of any kind. So this won't even take a nibble out of the M8. I just wish Leica would hurry up already with the M9 The excellent results obtained with the G1 and 50mm Summicron R are in no way laughable. Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted June 16, 2009 Share #51 Posted June 16, 2009 I would like to see, how it handles. I'm looking for a point and shoot without any point-and-shootiness. I have a XA, which used to go with me everywhere in the film days. This could be a successor. Then I would start to miss a Summilux 15, 20 or 25mm for four thirds (25mm would be my favourite but I would be flexible here to keep the market for this lens large enough). Apart from focusing issues, the 24mm M-Summarit or 50mm M-Summilux probably looks a bit silly on a pen. Since I started a wish-list - if the viewfinder needs to be external, a focus indicator would be nice... I like the M8 but also like to hand over the camera to others. Almost nobody can handle a RF any more. Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted June 16, 2009 Share #52 Posted June 16, 2009 I'm almost regretting that I bought a D-Lux 4 recently.... I am. Anyone want to buy it? Got a sweet Luigi Case to go along with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 16, 2009 Share #53 Posted June 16, 2009 The excellent results obtained with the G1 and 50mm Summicron R are in no way laughable. Cheers dunk Unless you've seen the same lens on an R9 (or heck, a 5d or 1ds2). Even the DMR doesn't make the 50mm a 50mm So yes, to me it's quite laughable to pay for one of the best lenses in the world then throw away half the image circle. You simply don't need what that lens delivers on micro 4/3--unless I guess--you're going to shoot 100mm crop all the time. To me though that is a lark, not a serious system statement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 16, 2009 Share #54 Posted June 16, 2009 Unless you've seen the same lens on an R9 (or heck, a 5d or 1ds2). Even the DMR doesn't make the 50mm a 50mm So yes, to me it's quite laughable to pay for one of the best lenses in the world then throw away half the image circle. You simply don't need what that lens delivers on micro 4/3--unless I guess--you're going to shoot 100mm crop all the time. To me though that is a lark, not a serious system statement Four thirds format is a serious system ... have you actually read Jonathan Eastland's article British Journal of Photography - Lens-friendly micro where he states a 20 inch wide enlargement at 300 PPI made using the 50mm Summicron R on the G1 held its own against images on 6x6 format? Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted June 16, 2009 Share #55 Posted June 16, 2009 As a backup to the M8, it will run circles around the G10s, D-Lux4s and the likes, in every respect! I will get one. Only true backup to the M8 is another M8 (or M9!) or a full size dslr. Cute camera though. But would probably end up mostly on the shelf as all the other film/digital p&s I've tried in my lifetime. If you already own one, why not just take pics with your M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelart Posted June 16, 2009 Share #56 Posted June 16, 2009 I'm almost regretting that I bought a D-Lux 4 recently.... No need to regret. I just looked at the sample images on DPReview and the image quality seems no better than D-Lux 4, apart from maybe less noise at 800 iso. There does seem to be a fair bit of colour fringing in some of the images. Apparently the AF is a bit slow too with no AF assist lamp for low light situations. Also although it's small it's not as pocketable as the D-Lux 4. The kit lens isn't as fast as the Leica lens either. I must say I was initially tempted to hold back my purchase of the Leica D-Lux 4 but after weighing things up I'm going for the Leica - I just love its size and image quality. Although I don't own the Leica yet my local dealer let me borrow one to try out and I found the image quality nothing short of superb. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 16, 2009 Share #57 Posted June 16, 2009 I can remember when many people ridiculed Alec Issigonis' Austin Mini ... but it went on to win the Monte Carlo Rally and numerous other motor sport events. Seems as if the G1 and EP-1 are similarly upsetting the status quo ... but ignore and dismiss them at your peril ... they will make their significant mark in photographic history. Cheers dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 16, 2009 Share #58 Posted June 16, 2009 If you don't like it, don't buy it,....................don't even try it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 16, 2009 Share #59 Posted June 16, 2009 I can remember when many people ridiculed Alec Issigonis' Austin Mini I've only driven a mini once, it was a hire car when I was on holiday. It was the worst car I have even driven. I didn't like the driving position and I felt the pedals were in a very uncomfortable position. Now I realise that for many people it was a superb car, and they may not be able to understand why I didn't enjoy driving it, but for me that's irrelevant, _I_ didn't like it and that's all that's important to _me_. It's the same with cameras. Just because an individual does or doesn't like a camera is an irrelevance to anyone else. It's their personal choice and they have the right to feel how they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 16, 2009 Share #60 Posted June 16, 2009 The original Mini The only car ever made where you could operate the accelerator, brake AND clutch with one foot, all at the same time. Give me a Beetle, any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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