clayh Posted November 7, 2006 Share #41 Posted November 7, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's my 'cheap guy' thing coming out: I guess i just expected that paying 1.5X the price of a Canon 5D, I would get something that would be at least comparable in terms of utility. I've been a Leica user for a long time, and know they can make a good product. This one just caught me flat-footed. So let me ask you this, do you think they will get a fix out in the next few months? Or are we talking more like a year? What time frame did you experience on the DMR? If it is a long term thing, it makes more sense to return it now as unusable (emphasize: for my needs) and buy one later when it is in better shape. If it is a matter of a few months, then yeah, sitting tight is probably the way to go. I really want to like this thing. There may never be a public announcement so forget that one right now,. There will be a update announcement and that is almost a guarntee. Companies will always add to the positive side than the negative announcments. So looking for them to admit guilt or fault will never happen with leica or anyone for hat matter. they will say what the firmware upgrade is for and that is good enough. Frankly at the end of the day that is all we want anyway. i could care less what is said but what is done. Clay my advice just sit tight and don't return it. It should work out just fine. I have a lot of faith in leica and as a Pro my neck is on the line everyday with there gear and support an in either case i have never felt let down in any way. Okay firmware for the DMR would certainly be nice, no question . But other than that being on the bleeding edge with them on the DMR what did i do buy a M8 with issues. Either i am one carzy SOB or really stupid. i know i am not stupid. I think the theme of the day is we all calm down and let them work it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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miami91 Posted November 7, 2006 Share #42 Posted November 7, 2006 Rex, I agree with you, I just think its kind of sad. Our standards have been so thoroughly debased, that yes, you do sort of have to expect some problems with any new tech release. I think its similar to receiving poor customer service when in shops, or talking to idiots who provide telephone support. This has become the de facto standard, so that good service becomes the outlier, rather than the norm. I, for one, would have hoped for better from Leica. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 7, 2006 Share #43 Posted November 7, 2006 Rex I completely agree it is hard to put that kind of money out and there be issues. No question the frustration level is at it's peak and totally understand one wanting to return it. I have so much money invested in leica and my 2 systems it would be a completely devastating if something was seriously wrong. But we have warranties and leica is a good company with great customer service at least from my point of view. i would just hang on for a week and see what happens , if not happy than he has at least 2 weeks to return it I believe. I would check that return policy just to be sure of everything. Than take it from there , no one wants this to be a issue. So let's see what happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share #44 Posted November 7, 2006 It's my 'cheap guy' thing coming out: I guess i just expected that paying 1.5X the price of a Canon 5D, I would get something that would be at least comparable in terms of utility. I've been a Leica user for a long time, and know they can make a good product. This one just caught me flat-footed. So let me ask you this, do you think they will get a fix out in the next few months? Or are we talking more like a year? What time frame did you experience on the DMR? If it is a long term thing, it makes more sense to return it now as unusable (emphasize: for my needs) and buy one later when it is in better shape. If it is a matter of a few months, then yeah, sitting tight is probably the way to go. I really want to like this thing. Here is my 2 cents (Euro) after reading the above. My purely personal position is that I was ready to cancel the order yesterday as I plan to be able to make money using the digital system I buy.I will be shooting in situations that appear to encourage these artifacts that we have all seen and until today just could not convince myself to go ahead with the purchase, too many worries and doubts.I also think that if I had actually received mine and had experiences the issues that CLAYH has that I would have been even more irate and doubtful. But, as described in my initial post on this thread, I have the confidence back, it meant a lot to me to hear it from the horses mouth and get that warm feeling back. Am I pissed about the whole thing , for sure, am I going out to buy a Canon 5d to fulfill my need, or miss the learning experience of being early definitely not. I will trust Leica to deliver the fix or fixes required in a very short timeframe and not look back.I really want to like this thing too, so as tough as it may be I think the best course of action is to hold on and trust the integrity of a company that has delivered so much in the past, even if it hurts. cheers andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted November 7, 2006 Share #45 Posted November 7, 2006 Well, they could at least state that they are working on it…… Nobody would misunderstand that….I think..... Both Andy and Sean have posted that this is so. Deep breath ... deep breath ... deep .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted November 7, 2006 Share #46 Posted November 7, 2006 There may never be a public announcement ,,,, I would expect an announcement NO SOONER than they have the fix and the implementation ready. Then, I would expect an announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted November 7, 2006 Share #47 Posted November 7, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... do you think they will get a fix out in the next few months? To be realistic, we probably won't have the fix before the pre-ordered stuff is all delivered. As one who has to keep changing his trousers, this is not a problem. I am hoping -- of course -- that it's firmware and not the chip; then the body doesn't have to go back and I can keep using it while waiting for a sw fix. However, they probably won't sell a lot to new prospects until the fix is done. Talk about an incentive. You know, these are OK guys. Take a deep breath ... these are ok guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 7, 2006 Share #48 Posted November 7, 2006 It's my 'cheap guy' thing coming out: I guess i just expected that paying 1.5X the price of a Canon 5D, I would get something that would be at least comparable in terms of utility. I've been a Leica user for a long time, and know they can make a good product. This one just caught me flat-footed. So let me ask you this, do you think they will get a fix out in the next few months? Or are we talking more like a year? What time frame did you experience on the DMR? If it is a long term thing, it makes more sense to return it now as unusable (emphasize: for my needs) and buy one later when it is in better shape. If it is a matter of a few months, then yeah, sitting tight is probably the way to go. I really want to like this thing. Clay I would expect this to come out in a week or two on this one. The DMR out of the gate really did not have MAJOR issues , more like nagging ones . The biggest issue was the knob falling off. leica was on that one pretty darn quick about 2 weeks and than they had all there service centers ready with new knobs. now the firmware 1.1 is good but not perfect and they tried to improve it but 1.2 was worse. The delay here is not so much Leica but the Leica /Imacon relationship which we don't have with the M8. These guys did not talk for months. I think there was some real issues there but i am speculating on that. This time with a new release and some major issues, there all over this one. There preverbal neck is got a rope around it, this fails than bend over and kiss there ... goodbye. i think we all know that and so do they. I would expect something really fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 7, 2006 Share #49 Posted November 7, 2006 I would expect something really fast Probably right after the new firmware for DMR? No, no, don't hit me. Just a bit of ironic humor. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted November 7, 2006 Share #50 Posted November 7, 2006 I'm all hooked up be here in the morning. Chrome still avaiable Leica M8 Digital Camera Body (Silver Chrome) Also just a thank you for all the members here trying to hook me up with a M8 . The outpouring of help was and is amazing. My kind of place to hang out just got off the phone with B&H sold out, expecting more in the next few weeks I agree that this is a nice place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 7, 2006 Share #51 Posted November 7, 2006 Can you point me to the place where Leica has issued this mea culpa? I have read a handful of posts from people who say they have talked to them. I have seen nothing official that I have been able to pull off of the web. Nor do their USA phones work. I posted elsewhere that I have spoken to Leica "on the record" and they are aware of the light-streaking concerns and are trying to see if they can be addressed with a firmware change. Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 7, 2006 Share #52 Posted November 7, 2006 No Howard i like you but i am going to smack leica if they don't give me my bloody 1.3 soon. LOL( I know they are working on itas we speak, that was confirmed to me) I really can't complain though seriously . I am having so much fun with the DMR , my images just sing. Not tallking about me here but the files Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted November 7, 2006 Share #53 Posted November 7, 2006 Just chatted with the fraud folks behind my primary credit card. They called me to verify the large M8-ish charge my Leica dealer was attempting to book against my embattled card today. "Yes," I cooed into the phone, "it's legit." Yeah, I'll say it's out of my normal spending patterns: this buy has been in the planning stage for two years. Today was the day for execution. Come to pappa, UPS man! -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 7, 2006 Share #54 Posted November 7, 2006 Hi Jamie: Was just in Cambridge last week and almost looked you up to borrow a camera -- everybody said the prime fall color had passed and the weather was bad anyway, so all I brought was my mini P&S cam. Stupid fawking me, eh? LOLOL ANyway, next time for sure! Jack--next time you're close to Toronto, the beer's on me. Definitely look me up (and I've always got a backup here, if you need a camera!). Let us know how you like that M8! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 7, 2006 Share #55 Posted November 7, 2006 I'm not in the league of you guys whose work will pay for this camera, but I want to remind us all of the following: 1 The camera apparently survived a year of testing without showing symptom #1 (streaking) to a noticeable degree. 2 Even all the people who have observed the streaking say the camera turns out excellent results--better than any other camera they have in 35mm formfactor--almost all the time. 3 So far as I'm aware, only one person has posted to the forum saying he has canceled his order for the M8. The number may be larger, but it is still a minority. 4 It was only when people started trying to discover streaking in their cameras that symptom #2 (green blobs) turned up. 5 Summary of above: Streaking and green blobs are real and major problems, but for most users very rare. For the remaining 99% of the time, the camera works as (or better than) expected. 6 Leica is working on the problem and will fix it as soon as they can. With the caveat that I stated above, viz that I don't earn my living from photography, I conclude that there is no reason not to take delivery of an M8 as soon as possible. There is not a company more devoted to its stated ideals than Leica, and the M8 is today almost what they intended it to be. They will correct that lacking 1% very soon. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 7, 2006 Share #56 Posted November 7, 2006 Jamie the three amigo's here are a little giddy. Jack, Chuck and i all have black ones coming tomorrow so we are like pigs in s... :D Hey congrats to all of you--sounds like a fiesta for sure! But How on Earth did you manage to get *black* M8s?! If you know of a secret source, let me know... but I fear I'm going to be living in envy and working with borrowed DNGs till December, or something! Actually, I ended up with a chrome 35 1.4 ASPH and a black 50 1.4 ASPH, so there you go... I'll take either BTW--I sent Chris Breeze a couple of posted DNGs to see what he can do with them, for those of us who use Breezebrowser (or did) for initial proofing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maio Posted November 7, 2006 Share #57 Posted November 7, 2006 OK, so while I'm waiting for all this to be sorted out, I stopped for coffee at this place this morning with my 1-day old M8 and contemplated what it all means Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/8689-update-from-leica-m8/?do=findComment&comment=86698'>More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 7, 2006 Share #58 Posted November 7, 2006 OK, so while I'm waiting for all this to be sorted out, I stopped for coffee at this place this morning with my 1-day old M8 and contemplated what it all means John-- You've broken the cardinal rule of the Leica forum: Don't post good, crisp, excellent images from the M8. Post only those that show streaking or green blobs or clear and utter defects. Otherwise the moderators will have to pull the plug on your posts. Seriously--good shot and proof of the pudding! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
osera Posted November 7, 2006 Share #59 Posted November 7, 2006 I'm not in the league of you guys whose work will pay for this camera, but I want to remind us all of the following:... --HC Howard- Well said. I would only add that I have started using the camera and I am very satisfied with the results, very DMR like. (I've yet to develop my thoughts on the comparison with my prior film M results.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 7, 2006 Share #60 Posted November 7, 2006 OK, so while I'm waiting for all this to be sorted out, I stopped for coffee at this place this morning with my 1-day old M8 and contemplated what it all means Good grief, man! Look how it turned her green shirt into orange! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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