shayallen Posted May 28, 2009 Share #1 Posted May 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am new to range finders and just got an Leica M7 and 50 F2 SUMMICRON-M BLACK (GERMANY)... I am trying to decide on a 35mm lens to get as well. I am not sure weather or not to save up for another Leica lens or to go with a Voigtlander 35/2.5 that seems to be reviewed very well. there are three different versions of the Voigtlander 35/2.5 lens and I dont know which one to get. I really liked what Sean Reid website said about them but I am not sure which one he was talking about. Any thoughts would be very helpful! thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 28, 2009 Posted May 28, 2009 Hi shayallen, Take a look here CV 35mm. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
spylaw4 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #2 Posted May 28, 2009 First of all welcome to the Forum! IIRC there are in fact only 2 versions of the 35/2.5 - the Color Skopar Classic with the Leica screw thread mount and the CS P II with the M bayonet. I believe they are the same optically. I think Sean reviewed the L39 thread version, and for simplicity I personally would go for that one with an adapter, unless you have absolutely no intention of ever going M8-wards. you seem to imply that you have subscribed to Sean's site, but if not it's highly recommendable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayallen Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted May 28, 2009 Hey thanks Brian is that the one called the Pancake Lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted May 28, 2009 Share #4 Posted May 28, 2009 Hey thanks Brian is that the one called the Pancake Lens? The "pancake" is IMHO the CS P II with the M bayonet. http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_asan6lwmew.html The LTM is the Color Skopar Classic. http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voigtlaender/voigtlaender_cms.nsf/id/pa_asan6lwmeq.html Both lenses should have are the same optical construction So it may be wise to use the LTM type because ist is easier to code than the M-type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted May 28, 2009 Share #5 Posted May 28, 2009 PS: Alternatives may be the Carl Zeiss Biogon /C Biogon Willkommen bei Photoobjektiven von Carl Zeiss Willkommen bei Photoobjektiven von Carl Zeiss or a used Summicron C 2.0/40mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayallen Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted May 28, 2009 Thanks for the great info! Would it be wise to get the CS P II or try to wait and save for a Leica lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted May 28, 2009 Share #7 Posted May 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmm - what is wise ? Let´s say in this way. For my person would take a lens which is codable even if I had "only" a M7. (In reallity I have a M5) in fact that I ´ll change in future to a digital Rangefinder . From 35mm and downwards you have to code your lens. I would take the LTM type which is optical identical to the pancake (but not so sexy ) but codable. Street price in Europe about 320-350€. (N.B. Leica CS coding is 167€ incl VAT) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayallen Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted May 28, 2009 Thanks! What does LTM mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted May 28, 2009 Share #9 Posted May 28, 2009 Or you could save up for a 35mm Leica summarit, an outstanding lens by all accounts. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted May 28, 2009 Share #10 Posted May 28, 2009 35mm Leica summarit That would be a "wise" decission : coded - outstanding and only three times more expensive than the VC CS If you can "wait and save" it would IMHO the best solution. http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/summarit_lenses/ What does LTM mean? Leica Thread Mount = M39 = screw mount lens - you need an adapter (50€) if you want to use it on a M Camera. (The adapter is codable) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted May 28, 2009 Share #11 Posted May 28, 2009 My sincere advice would to go with a 35mm Summarit lens. These Leica lenses are optically very good, mechanically very well built, and reasonably priced. The speed is the same -- 1:2.5 -- as the CV number. The old man from the Age of the 3.5cm Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
houble Posted May 28, 2009 Share #12 Posted May 28, 2009 Hi, I am a Leica M newbie and I own the CV 35 Pancake 2 for three weeks now. You are right, there are three versions of this lens, but optical they are all the same: 1. LTM type, also called classic (the one with the focussing stick), available in black or chrome. 2. the rare M-mount Pancake 1 version (no lever or stick for focussing), quite an ugly lens IMHO. 3. M-mount Pancake 2 version, the actual version. The third is the shortest, when used without hood. I cannot compare it to other lenses, but I love mine already. Really sharp and I also like its color and bokeh rendering. Its that short when using without hood, that I have to use the forefinger for focusing instead of the preferred middle finger, because then, I often get the forefinger in front of the lens. Tobias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 29, 2009 Share #13 Posted May 29, 2009 Buy the CV 35. It's a great lens and if you decide to go for a Leica lens later on you will hardly lose any money if you decide to sell the CV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted May 29, 2009 Share #14 Posted May 29, 2009 Yep, get the little CV. It was my first lens for a Leica body and I loved it. I used the "ugly" P1 type. No focusing tab. That lens has a closest focus of 0.9M and is contrasty, I assume the later one has the same charactaristics. Welcome to the forum shayallen and houble! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted May 29, 2009 Share #15 Posted May 29, 2009 Hi, I am a Leica M newbie and I own the CV 35 Pancake 2 for three weeks now. You are right, there are three versions of this lens, but optical they are all the same: 1. LTM type, also called classic (the one with the focussing stick), available in black or chrome. 2. the rare M-mount Pancake 1 version (no lever or stick for focussing), quite an ugly lens IMHO. 3. M-mount Pancake 2 version, the actual version. The third is the shortest, when used without hood. I cannot compare it to other lenses, but I love mine already. Really sharp and I also like its color and bokeh rendering. Its that short when using without hood, that I have to use the forefinger for focusing instead of the preferred middle finger, because then, I often get the forefinger in front of the lens. Tobias Welcome Tobias, I fear you are a little confused as to the lens versions - the Color Skopar P and C were introduced at the same time, and both are LTM. The P is my all time favourite - compact in length but a short focus throw and exceptional handling. I wasn't aware it is particularly rare. I sold my V4 Summicron and acquired my first because I preferred the bokeh and B&w rendition. I then made the mistake of moving to a Pancake 2, which I absolutely hated for it's bulkiness and handlng. That is of course only available in M mount - another drawback for me. I swapped it for another Pancake 1 and I am now completely happy again on the 35mm front Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted May 29, 2009 Share #16 Posted May 29, 2009 The P2 has a closest focus of 0.7M, a major advantage IMHO. I stopped using my P1 and got a Leica 35mm when I ran into a number of situations where the 0.9M closest focus of the P1 became a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimothy Posted May 29, 2009 Share #17 Posted May 29, 2009 I bought the pancake version a while ago and I'm very happy with it. The intention was that this lens would do until I could afford the 'cron. I'm not sure, now, that I shall ever bother to buy the 'cron. I might keep saving and get a summilux one day for the extra speed, but I don't view it as a priority for me. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/86226-cv-35mm/?do=findComment&comment=915057'>More sharing options...
PavelDerka Posted June 1, 2009 Share #18 Posted June 1, 2009 I took the rangefinder plunge after being on the fence for several years now. My M8 and the Zeiss 50 planar should be here on friday (my, it is feeling like a long week! ) and I was about to order another lens, when I happened to read this thread. Could someone explain to me if the coding of lenses wider than 35 is essential or simply a benefit with helping with color shifts and optical improvements in software. I have a Voigtlander 25 f 2.5 in mind but would like to not mess around with any adapters. Am I facing some kind of unpleasant surprise? Thanks .... oh ... and hello! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted June 2, 2009 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2009 Could someone explain to me if the coding of lenses wider than 35 is essential or simply a benefit with helping with color shifts and optical improvements in software.I have a Voigtlander 25 f 2.5 in mind but would like to not mess around with any adapters. Am I facing some kind of unpleasant surprise? Thanks .... oh ... and hello! If you plan on shooting black and white only, then it's a benefit (correction of brightness vignetting, EXIF data). But if colour--then UV/IR filters (or corresponding B+W 486 filters) are pretty well essential, and therefore also coding of all lenses shorter than 50mm, because without it, the filters will give you a nasty cyan shift in the corners of your images. The reason for the colour problems is the infrared sensitivity of the sensor. (The M8 is in fact a splendid infrared camera. I can shoot IR handheld with a B+W 092 filter on the lens.) So materials that reflect little visible light (synthetic tees, e.g. or cheap tails suits) but much IR come out purple in the image. Also, foliage may look a bit wilted. On the other hand, doing black and white without any filter at all will be rather like bw film with a light to medium yellow filter, giving lighter greens and darker sky blue. You have bought yourself an interesting beast for a pet. The old man from the Age of Film Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darkstar2004 Posted June 2, 2009 Share #20 Posted June 2, 2009 Don't overlook the CV 35mm f/1.2 ASPH. I had one and am still kicking myself for selling it. Yes, it's bigger than either the Summarit 35 or the CV 35/2.5, but it's smaller than a Noctilux. You could get it and the CV 35mm pancake lens for the price of the Leica 35/2.5 Summarit. Just a suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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