carstenw Posted November 6, 2006 Share #21 Posted November 6, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Argh, you post a million perfectly focused impossible shots, and I choose the one to compliment you on which wasn't yours. Sorry. You make it sound so easy. I need that loupe, and some fast-setting concrete to steady my hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billh Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share #22 Posted November 7, 2006 Bill, you could have done this shot with a M8, but only once, you would have to had been into the pool with him. When he hit the water both you and your M8 would be soaked BTW, just use the little mountain icon to post pictures using your own URL. This is Bill's photo he had linked above. His links were not displaying, so I pasted in the right code. Bill has pretty good reflexes too. He has a few shots like this using a Leica 180mm f2 APO Summicron. I think this one was an EOS 300mm f2.8is shot. Bill, if you don't want the pictures displayed here, I can take the link out of this post. Hi Rob, Thank you for the mountain icon tip - but, where is it? I was in the water for this one, using an 85 f1.2 wide open, and pre focusing and hitting the shutter just a smidgen early to get the exposure at exactly the right time. That of course is the way we used to have to do this! http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/Swimbest2006/Kona,f1.2,0429.jpg The photo you posted is of Kona, taken a short while ago. She was swimming and playing Wednesday, went to the vets Thursday afternoon, and died yesterday at 1AM. It was horrible. She was only 4 and we played together for hours every day. It looks like she had pneumonia, but she didn’t respond to any treatment. They are doing tests now to see if they can figure out why this happened to her. Here is the little one’s (Kona’s) father - I am in the water here, in the deep end with the 1D2 and the 300 f2.8IS. From the time he appears (comes in sight) until he hits the water, .4 to .5 seconds elapse. These are incredibly difficult shots to get with the face in focus. I have found my odds are best using the center focus spot at the upper position. The issue, I believe, is he goes high into the air and the camera hits him in a place other than his face, and locks in. It cannot correct fast enough, and it is very difficult to move the lens in sync with him. This is a case where technology does not necessarily trump the old fashioned way (hence the use of the 180 f2.0). http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/Swimbest2006/Niko-diving,7-4-06,4154.jpg There are a bunch here, http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/2005_Calendars/PhotoAlbum193.html and as you can probably see, I am in the water taking the photos much of the time. The camera and lens get totally drenched. I dry off the glass and go back in for more. Apparently you cannot get the M8 wet. Too bad because I would love to use it for some of these shots, as well as bring it instead of the Canons at times when the weather is questionable. Photos in the snow in the woods are perfect examples of a time when the little M would be perfect. http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/2006Calendar/Jan06.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted November 7, 2006 Share #23 Posted November 7, 2006 Bill, you may have to edit your user setting and enable something in the user preferences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share #24 Posted November 7, 2006 Bill, you may have to edit your user setting and enable something in the user preferences. I looked and didn't see anything. I did change some of the settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted November 7, 2006 Share #25 Posted November 7, 2006 Nice history, but the best pianos are still the ones STEINWAY produces in Hamburg, Germany WRONG - the best pianos are produced still by Bösendorfer in Vienna, Austria !!! Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted November 7, 2006 Share #26 Posted November 7, 2006 WRONG - the best pianos are produced still by Bösendorfer in Vienna, Austria !!!Peter,Starting a religious war? Reminds me of Canon vs Nikon vs Leica... Peter W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted November 7, 2006 Share #27 Posted November 7, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you for the mountain icon tip - but, where is it? ] Go toControl Panel Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Message Editing Interface After that, you get the little mountain However, I feel a different approach gives you more flexibility: In Additional Options select Manage Attachements There, you can upload images either from your computer or from an url. Close the Manage attachements window Now, in the main editor window, click on the attachement icon When you click on a line, it will insert the image at the cursor position. Like this, you can mix text and images. If you like, you can center the image by clicking on the Center Icon And here the result: Peter Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Message Editing Interface After that, you get the little mountain However, I feel a different approach gives you more flexibility: In Additional Options select Manage Attachements There, you can upload images either from your computer or from an url. Close the Manage attachements window Now, in the main editor window, click on the attachement icon When you click on a line, it will insert the image at the cursor position. Like this, you can mix text and images. If you like, you can center the image by clicking on the Center Icon And here the result: Peter ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/8594-m8-low-light-level-photos/?do=findComment&comment=86072'>More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted November 7, 2006 Share #28 Posted November 7, 2006 I am in the water taking the photos much of the time. The camera and lens get totally drenched. I dry off the glass and go back in for more. Apparently you cannot get the M8 wet. Too bad because I would love to use it for some of these shots, as well as bring it instead of the Canons at times when the weather is questionable. Photos in the snow in the woods are perfect examples of a time when the little M would be perfect. Some time ago, I saw on the web an accessory that could be useful: A zipped, flexible, water-tight transparent plastic case - a bit like a freezing bag - that protects the camera in such occasions. It had a flat circular glass insert for the lens. I do not remember the details, nor the address, nor do I know how practical it is in real life. Perhaps somebody else knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted November 7, 2006 Share #29 Posted November 7, 2006 (I love the way this list brings people together with interests other than Leica cameras - and that reminds me - I discovered the recording engineer is also a Leica fan (he has Rs).Indeed. I asked what they did to the Steinways, and to our piano, and I can share their emailed explanations with you if you are interested. Please do. By the way, I was wondering how come the Austrian Embassy sponsored and American pianist playing on an American piano and not on a Bösendorfer... Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 7, 2006 Share #30 Posted November 7, 2006 By the way, I was wondering how come the Austrian Embassy sponsored and American pianist playing on an American piano and not on a Bösendorfer... They probably thought we needed something to occupy our time on the Leica forum, you suppose? Good piano, good pix, interesting conversation, no banding, no green blobs... --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted November 7, 2006 Share #31 Posted November 7, 2006 Yes, the "move your body to align" technique works nice for repro stuff. Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 7, 2006 Share #32 Posted November 7, 2006 Well, the practical significance for me is to avoid framing a picture with any strong light source in it that is going to be clipped by the sensor. For instance: table lamps, street lights, lights at sporting events, car lights, skyscraper windows at night, the sun, full moon, etc., lightning, flashlights, campfires. Other than those, no issues at all. Is it possible that there is some variation in individual M8 bodies in terms of being susceptible to the banding/streaking problem? My gut instinct says no but I have taken a number of shots with strong (overexposed) light sources within the image and have yet to reproduce this particular issue at all. However, mirrored green blobs are another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share #33 Posted November 7, 2006 By the way, I was wondering how come the Austrian Embassy sponsored and American pianist playing on an American piano and not on a Bösendorfer... Peter Peter, Thank you very much! While I am not sure about the accuracy of the old adage about not teaching old dogs new tricks, you have proven that when the directions are detailed enough, old primates are salvageable too. I am curious to know why this is apparent to the rest of you....I saw absolutely nothing that would lead me to, much less through these steps. Now that you mention it, I have seen these waterproof bags too - how well they work, and whether you can operate the camera as quickly and easily as you like is something I’ll have to investigate. Bill This is a series in Washington: http://www.embassyseries.com/index.htm As for the Bosendorfer (I assume this is an off the path enough forum to share this tale), it is an uniformly disliked example of this brand which was purchased by a wealthy person who meant well, but who is not a pianist. Using a piano other than the house piano is not that unusual - a Fazioli artist just had a Fazioli concert grand brought from the local dealers to the National Gallery for a concert, and the Steingraeber may be used there in December, and will be played at the German embassy for the Beethoven Society concert next year. There are occasions where they insist the pianist use the house piano, such as at the Anderson House in Washington, where they have very small highly ornate, 100 plus year old Steinway in need of much work. This belonged to the owners of the house, thus is considered part of the history, and the curator insists it be used for their concerts. I’ll pull together the information on the piano modifications for you. Thanks again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted November 7, 2006 Share #34 Posted November 7, 2006 Some time ago, I saw on the web an accessory that could be useful: A zipped, flexible, water-tight transparent plastic case - a bit like a freezing bag - that protects the camera in such occasions. It had a flat circular glass insert for the lens. I do not remember the details, nor the address, nor do I know how practical it is in real life. Perhaps somebody else knows. I was given an address, they seem interesting, made in Germany by ewa-marine. There are various models, some with a glove to allow changing camera settings. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Peter Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Peter ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/8594-m8-low-light-level-photos/?do=findComment&comment=86494'>More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 7, 2006 Share #35 Posted November 7, 2006 The protective bags look ideal for an SLR camera but I don't think they will be much good for the M8 or other rangefinder cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhanke Posted November 7, 2006 Share #36 Posted November 7, 2006 Bill: I had seen your marvelous Bouvier shots already several weeks, or even months, ago, and I am shocked to hear that your Kona has died so quickly and unexpectedly. Having lost all three of my Collies within but a year, I really feel with you. Regards, Marcus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 7, 2006 Share #37 Posted November 7, 2006 When I was shopping for my piano (Steinway my sister-in-law, who plays professionaly, tried a bunch and settled on one. While they all sounded very different when I played them, they all sounded the same when she did. When I asked her why she chose the one she did when they all sounded the same, she replied: "Yes, but getting that sound was easiest from this one." Her comment taught me more about piano playing (and all artistic endeavors) than any amount of instruction. It applies particularly well to photography. Best, Matt I like that story. She has a very good point. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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