giordano Posted May 27, 2009 Share #81 Posted May 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The way "oil" is described in this thread as in "watch oils" it sounds as if people might be under a misapprehension as to how the oil is applied to watch movements. TTBOMK only miniscule amounts of oil(s) are applied to watches and as such oiling a watch is very different from lubricating a camera. As for using "whale oil" that sounds like a bit of a tall story. And BTW ... some watch calibers (eg Zenith El Primero which was once used in the Rolex Daytona) are lubricated with greases rather than oil. Also bear in mind that a watch on a wrist in normal use even in very cold weather is kept relatively warm by body heat. It was the best butter, you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Finnkare Posted May 27, 2009 Share #82 Posted May 27, 2009 Perhaps we should start referring to M8s as "Sensor Ms"? Yes. That would be logical. Exactly as logical as calling M8 a digital camera and all the Ms before that analog cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted May 27, 2009 Share #83 Posted May 27, 2009 Unfair comparison. Take for example a compact like the Dlux...in all likelyhood it will run forever. If it is going to require service it is in most likelyhood going to be for an electronics issue...and that may very well be traced to something like moisture. But the mechanics of a simple camera like that will probably operate easily for ones lifetime, barring a manufacturing defect. Onto the more complicated cameras like the M8. There is one huge issue that you are not taking into account. A watch is sealed. As long as the seals are intact the watch is impervious to dust and moisture (my Timex for cryin' out loud is waterproof to 100m). Cameras on the otherhand, except for a few specific models have dust and moisture (usually confined to light condensation) to contend with. Take your expensive watch, remove the back and replace it with, say, fine windowscreen and see how long it runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #84 Posted May 28, 2009 my Timex for cryin' out loud is waterproof to 100m.... Well, actually it isnt. You will probably get away with it and no one is really bothered. The compliances for wristwatches to get the 100', 100m waterproof and water resistant have nothing to do with imersion in sea water to a hundred feet or anything else you might dream up by reading whats printed on the face. I can ask next time if you think it is important. Drown a Seiko while riding a surfboard you arent covered. Rolex, Omega, Tag, whatever you care to name, its all the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted May 28, 2009 Share #85 Posted May 28, 2009 As for using "whale oil" that sounds like a bit of a tall story. Whale oil specifically sperm whale oil, was indeed used to lubricate watches and is reputedly the finest, most durable oil available. During the golden age of whaling supplies were plentiful. These days, perhaps not so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share #86 Posted May 28, 2009 Well, actually it isnt. You will probably get away with it and no one is really bothered. The compliances for wristwatches to get the 100', 100m waterproof and water resistant have nothing to do with imersion in sea water to a hundred feet or anything else you might dream up by reading whats printed on the face. I can ask next time if you think it is important. Drown a Seiko while riding a surfboard you arent covered. Rolex, Omega, Tag, whatever you care to name, its all the same. It amases me how much mis informed crap is offered up on this forum. Rolex, which you quote, and I own guarantees thier Oyster models swim proof to a variety of depths depending on the model. Models like the Sea Dweller designed for saturation diving as a for instance have a different depth guarantee to , say the one I own which is the Explorer 1 for obvious reasons. The Submariner comes somewhere between and something like a Datejust, I think is 50 meters. Might I suggest engaging your brain or at least looking for more information on the WWW before spouting such guff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted May 28, 2009 Share #87 Posted May 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) It amases me how much mis informed crap is offered up on this forum. Rolex, which you quote, and I own guarantees thier Oyster models swim proof to a variety of depths depending on the model. Models like the Sea Dweller designed for saturation diving as a for instance have a different depth guarantee to , say the one I own which is the Explorer 1 for obvious reasons. The Submariner comes somewhere between and something like a Datejust, I think is 50 meters. Might I suggest engaging your brain or at least looking for more information on the WWW before spouting such guff Kenneth, Your knowledge of exotic time pieces is definitely not matched by your proficiency in spelling and punctuation....... Best, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted May 28, 2009 Share #88 Posted May 28, 2009 I can't believe I have even got into this ridiculous discussion, to be honest. Well, it is the Leica forum... For how many years have people here been arguing about the merrits of a shutter speed dial turning clockwise vs counterclock wise? The music industry went through this many years before us and without too much of an argument they divided their world between analog and digital recordings, depending on the capture media or method. People still use terms like reels, tape, records, but at the end of the day it's all pretty clear. Same for music instruments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted May 28, 2009 Share #89 Posted May 28, 2009 But the medium it records onto is "film". Perhaps we should start referring to M8s as "Sensor Ms"? Actually that would be a more accurate description.... Sensor camera vs film camera Digital camera vs analog camera But sensor camera doesn't really roll off your tongue that easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 28, 2009 Share #90 Posted May 28, 2009 And "analogue" camera does? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted May 28, 2009 Share #91 Posted May 28, 2009 Would they have? In my experience "film camera" almost always meant a ciné camera in contrast to a TV/video camera or a stills camera. One might talk about 35mm or rollfilm or even sheet-film cameras, but they weren't all lumped together as "film cameras". But maybe this just reflects the industries I've worked in. Me too, but back in those days a Nikon or Leica was simply a camera and mostly defined by it's format (135,120 etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted May 28, 2009 Share #92 Posted May 28, 2009 I refer you to my signature... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted May 28, 2009 Share #93 Posted May 28, 2009 And "analogue" camera does? Maybe if you're French..., certainly not if you're from New York... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted May 28, 2009 Share #94 Posted May 28, 2009 Analog, catalog, dialog, synagog...analogue, catalogue, dialogue, synagogue? They are all pedagogs. Tomato, tomato, potato, potato, let's call the whole thing off! With watches, they don't call them "waterproof" any more, just "water resistant". They are tested under stringent lab condition, and designated in BAR (for barometric pressure), ATM (atmospheres) or in meters (M). But I wouldn't take a 100M watch down to 100m (not that I'd want to anyway). I'd go for 1000M or 100 ATM or 100 BAR. A 100m (10 BAR, 10 ATM) is really suitable only for swimming, then only with care, not for serious diving. Many watches are only 50M (5 BAR, 5 ATM). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W Posted May 28, 2009 Share #95 Posted May 28, 2009 The way "oil" is described in this thread as in "watch oils" it sounds as if people might be under a misapprehension as to how the oil is applied to watch movements. TTBOMK only miniscule amounts of oil(s) are applied to watches and as such oiling a watch is very different from lubricating a camera. As for using "whale oil" that sounds like a bit of a tall story. And BTW ... some watch calibers (eg Zenith El Primero which was once used in the Rolex Daytona) are lubricated with greases rather than oil. Also bear in mind that a watch on a wrist in normal use even in very cold weather is kept relatively warm by body heat. Cheers dunk Glashütte Original a top German watchmaker use Möbiuf Scientific oil 1300 in their masterpieces PS! Mark, you should pay them a visit when you go to A. Lange & söhne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted May 28, 2009 Share #96 Posted May 28, 2009 It amases me how much mis informed crap is offered up on this forum. Rolex... You know the bloke who services them then? Because I do. And yes I own a Rolex but that nothing to do with knowing horologists who work on them. David, watches certainly dont get tested down to what is printed on the face, and for compliance the requied pressure increase in a gradual and controlled manner not always akin with real world situations, hence the surfing comment. Kenneth has comprehension issues amongst other things. Ps...And there are plenty of rich womens forty and seventy thousand dollar rolexs that fail in three foot deep plunge pools after the sauna:D:D:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted May 29, 2009 Share #97 Posted May 29, 2009 My god, I love this thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 29, 2009 Share #98 Posted May 29, 2009 This begs another question - why would any manufacturer make something that lasted for ever, didn't wear out, or need a service once in a while? They would try to do it to prove they can produce the "best".If they could make a camera that never needed a service and never wear out .The next model has extra features so the replacement cycle continues. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #99 Posted June 12, 2009 You know the bloke who services them then? Because I do. And yes I own a Rolex but that nothing to do with knowing horologists who work on them.David, watches certainly dont get tested down to what is printed on the face, and for compliance the requied pressure increase in a gradual and controlled manner not always akin with real world situations, hence the surfing comment. Kenneth has comprehension issues amongst other things. Ps...And there are plenty of rich womens forty and seventy thousand dollar rolexs that fail in three foot deep plunge pools after the sauna:D:D:D:D Couldn't resist dropping by to say that I had considered dropping Rolex a line to let them know that thier watches were not waterproof but I happened by my AD last week and disposed of my Explorer 1 and my JLC Grand Taille and upgraded to just 1 watch which is a JLC Reverso Duo. It is a wonderful complication housing 2 time faces on 1 barrel and waterproof to 50 meters. So thank you, sorry about my comprehension but I hope the rest of you will tolerate my ramblings Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/85705-the-achilles-heel-of-camera-and-watches/?do=findComment&comment=928945'>More sharing options...
JBA Posted June 12, 2009 Share #100 Posted June 12, 2009 Since getting my IWC Novecento Perpetual a couple of years ago, I had happily stopped lusting after the JLC Reverso Duo until you posted that! Oh well, back down the slippery slope I go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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