andybarton Posted February 29, 2008 Share #21 Posted February 29, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) FW 1.3 DID improve auto white balance immeasurably and, judging by the responses on this forum, was well received by DMR users. AFAIK, SDHC support is not available via hardware, so no FW upgrade is ever going to sort that out. And as for users of DMRs accepting a "low", that's just plain ridiculous. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjh Posted February 29, 2008 Share #22 Posted February 29, 2008 this is really seen through your very naive eyes! Be that as it may, I haven’t seen many complaints about 1.3 (and some were even content with previous versions). The white balance, for example, doesn’t have the issues that the M8 AWB did, prior to the latest upgrade. SDHC support would be desirable, but people haven’t exactly been clamoring for it – maybe because the SDHC standard didn’t exist when the DMR went to market and the lack of SDHC support was just natural. That’s quite different from the situation with the M8 which really should have supported SDHC from day one, had Jenoptik only known how to implement this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woland Posted February 29, 2008 Share #23 Posted February 29, 2008 Thank You Peter - Maybe ? Michael will understand that there is no reason to defend a company which do not have any real business manners and in f a c t has left the old customers high and dry. And what comes to complaining -so what if it happens to be Leica -they should have some background to experimentation and not just playing around. By raising these issues which concerns many professional people there might be a possibility of a change to a better. And Yes Life is interesting journey - once the gears you carry have good back up:) Cheers woland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 1, 2008 Share #24 Posted March 1, 2008 Can you point me at another company that has released a firmware upgrade for what is essentially a discontinued product? I don't have a DMR (waiting for the R10 to be released so I can pick one up cheap <grin>), but I think Leica's support has actually been very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted March 1, 2008 Share #25 Posted March 1, 2008 Can you point me at another company that has released a firmware upgrade for what is essentially a discontinued product? I don't have a DMR (waiting for the R10 to be released so I can pick one up cheap <grin>), but I think Leica's support has actually been very good. Well I own a DMR and yes Leica's support has indeed been very good, firmware version 1.3 is excellent. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 1, 2008 Share #26 Posted March 1, 2008 Can you point me at another company that has released a firmware upgrade for what is essentially a discontinued product? I don't have a DMR (waiting for the R10 to be released so I can pick one up cheap <grin>), but I think Leica's support has actually been very good. At least in my eyes the FW support on the DMR is inferior to a product in this price range. Actually I would expect FW support for at least 5 years after market intro. Bringing no further FW updates and having the quality issue which are there in the DMR, it is really degrading this product to a piece of garbage - I feel Leica has not done anything to help me somehow save my invested money in this - period. It might always be that some will be satisfied with what they got, but the conclusion out of this that everybody is and Leica did a somehow good job is definitely WRONG. So for me the R10 will see a long time of wait in order to get an idea where the new Leica DSLR train is moving. And if they are as bas with FW updates as they did with the DMR then this product will be a No NO. And I do actually hope that many other people think the same. Because this will be he only way Leica might learn. In the moment I cannot take their efforts in the DSLR area serious, just because of the DMR and the bad support they showed on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 1, 2008 Share #27 Posted March 1, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bringing no further FW updates and having the quality issue which are there in the DMR, it is really degrading this product to a piece of garbage. IMHO, and in the opinion of many others here, the DMR produces images which are far in excess of any other Leica offering, including you-know-what If you are so unhappy with yours, sell it. There's a willing market out there for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 1, 2008 Share #28 Posted March 1, 2008 IMHO, and in the opinion of many others here, the DMR produces images which are far in excess of any other Leica offering, including you-know-what If you are so unhappy with yours, sell it. There's a willing market out there for them. Andy, I sold it already in October 2007 - so no worries. And just for your info, the willing market out there was not SO willing as you might think, because it took several months before I could get rid of this piece. And YES - I was really unhappy! AND PLEASE - can you also accept a different opinion than yours? Great that you like your DMR, great for the others who do so, but I did NOT in the end. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 1, 2008 Share #29 Posted March 1, 2008 See my response to the R10 thread running concurrently. If you prefer M8 files, then that's fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 1, 2008 Share #30 Posted March 1, 2008 See my response to the R10 thread running concurrently. If you prefer M8 files, then that's fine. Ok, thanks And BTW, I really like your images you generate with the DMR. But I dare to say that it is 95% the photographer and the rest is the camera, or the way a photographer can work with his equipment and which one he likes most - well I think we all know that .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted March 1, 2008 Share #31 Posted March 1, 2008 At least in my eyes the FW support on the DMR is inferior to a product in this price range. Actually I would expect FW support for at least 5 years after market intro. Bringing no further FW updates and having the quality issue which are there in the DMR, it is really degrading this product to a piece of garbage - I feel Leica has not done anything to help me somehow save my invested money in this - period. I'm almost at the point of considering that everything you write with respect to the DMR appears to be in bad faith... Firmware version 1.3 issued last summer is excellent indeed. Indeed, I get the feeling (rightly or wrongly) that you write things on a whim without any tangible proof or experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 1, 2008 Share #32 Posted March 1, 2008 I'm almost at the point of considering that everything you write with respect to the DMR appears to be in bad faith... Firmware version 1.3 issued last summer is excellent indeed. Indeed, I get the feeling (rightly or wrongly) that you write things on a whim without any tangible proof or experience. MGCD! I am not up to get on fight mode with you. I deeply detest the way you communicate here. I had used my DMR for almost 2 years and I also used FW 1.3. I was NOT happy with it. Period. Ind I was even less happy with the way Leica showed support for the DMR and the way they went out of business with the R system, this was all different from being professional. I am not making any comments if the DMR is/was a good or a bad product. Simply for me it was finally not. And I have written about my findings with the M8 and the D3 and even D2X. If you have different results it is ok, but never try to convince one who has found out differently. Why not let others their opinion??? I hope this stops our conversation here, nothing more to add to this from my side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted March 1, 2008 Share #33 Posted March 1, 2008 MGCD! I am not up to get on fight mode with you. I deeply detest the way you communicate here. I had used my DMR for almost 2 years and I also used FW 1.3. I was NOT happy with it. Period. Ind I was even less happy with the way Leica showed support for the DMR and the way they went out of business with the R system, this was all different from being professional. I am not making any comments if the DMR is/was a good or a bad product. Simply for me it was finally not. And I have written about my findings with the M8 and the D3 and even D2X. If you have different results it is ok, but never try to convince one who has found out differently. Why not let others their opinion??? I hope this stops our conversation here, nothing more to add to this from my side. Peter it's fine that you did not like it, your are indeed entitled to your opinion. My objection is when one starts product bashing and clearly does not know the product. Anyway, that's it for me on this topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 1, 2008 Share #34 Posted March 1, 2008 Peter it's fine that you did not like it, your are indeed entitled to your opinion. My objection is when one starts product bashing and clearly does not know the product. Anyway, that's it for me on this topic. If you say that one does not know a product like the DMR after having shot around 10k shots with it, then you are right. My opinion is that one would very well have found out about a camera after 10k shots. But it might be that you have eaten wisdom with a spoon as we say in German and of course then it is better not to contradict. Because that will not change anything in your behavior. Which is "I know best because I am MGCD" Feeling really sorry for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted March 1, 2008 Share #35 Posted March 1, 2008 If you say that one does not know a product like the DMR after having shot around 10k shots with it, then you are right. My opinion is that one would very well have found out about a camera after 10k shots. But it might be that you have eaten wisdom with a spoon as we say in German and of course then it is better not to contradict. Because that will not change anything in your behavior. Which is "I know best because I am MGCD" Feeling really sorry for you Not working Peter, this is about knowledge, and clearly you tend to make things up as you go along, to what end I don't know because you always get found out... Anyhow, in the grander scheme of things this is so unimportant, I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted March 1, 2008 Share #36 Posted March 1, 2008 Well I own a DMR and yes Leica's support has indeed been very good, firmware version 1.3 is excellent. Cheers, yes, the firmware 1.3 was a big step !... I work professionally from the beginning with the DMR and I'm very happy.... the only reason for a new firmware could be the 400-1600 ASA quality. ..there was a big step from 1.2 to 1.3 ... so I think there could be a little change for a second step... but I do not think that Leica is still working on it.. regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted March 1, 2008 Share #37 Posted March 1, 2008 Ah Jan, you were always happy with that piece, so nothing really new here. Although I do not understand why you have only so limited expectations as a professional photographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted March 1, 2008 Share #38 Posted March 1, 2008 I took a look at the Canon and Nikon websites, and it appears that they have not offered a firmware update on their top-line cameras after they've been replaced, let alone five years after introduction. Leica's release of the 1.3 firmware update after they received all the money they would ever see on the DMR is unusual, and shows integrity, in my opinion. Clearly nobody is required to like the DMR, the M8, the D3, the 1Ds series, etc. Until later, --clyde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted March 1, 2008 Share #39 Posted March 1, 2008 I would like to know how high in ISO other DMR owners go with FW 1.3 which I've just downloaded. I'm taking pictures of birds flying and I could really use extra speed, but want to avoid noise. Thanks for any help, Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted March 1, 2008 Share #40 Posted March 1, 2008 my normal setting is 200 ASA..some times 100 ASA and 400 ASA.... My "Birds" are all done with 200 ASA Telyt 6,8/400mm f8 and 1/750 - 1/1000 sec.. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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