jbstitt Posted November 3, 2006 Share #1 Posted November 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am very happy that Leica is going to have great success with the M8. It looks to be a fantastic camera. It is not my style of shooting and not in my budget but it may be the financial success of Leica and the Leica mistique. I did purchase a DMR and two lenses some time ago for my R8 and for me that was a huge investment. Yet I, and I believe many others, still are waiting for some really functional firmware that befits the technical quality of the DMR and R8/9. Has Leica completely forgotten about their DMR customers? Where is the next revision of the firmware? As we all know Ver 1.2 was a disaster. I know there is a strained situation with Imicon (sp). Yet from a customer perspective that is Leica's problem, not mine. Another software revision was rumored to be in the works many months ago probably to be introduced right after Photokina. Yet here we sit still waiting for a new revision and there is almost no talk about it. I have a huge investment in an R-DMR system it is only marginally functional. It certainly does not support the Leica dedication to quality and industry technological leadership. Frankly, the competition for SLRs has much better software and almost as good image quality. Yes, there is nothing as smooth and well made as Leica, but I did not spend all that money for a paperweight. Isn't there an implied contract between Leica and DMR customers that the equipment would be functional? I do not consider it now so. Leica, do not forget the DMR! Get the firmware out to make the DMR an equal element of the Leical product line and a continuation of the Leica dedication to excellence. And get it out soon. John Stitt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pascal_meheut Posted November 3, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 3, 2006 December. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted November 3, 2006 Share #3 Posted November 3, 2006 Jbstitt, I have been using my R8 / DMR conbination for nearly a year now. I agree that the firmware version 1.1 contains bugs, but I only found them during my brief 'play time' with the camera. During my regular use of the camera I never 'enter the bug(s) area'. If you consider that your DMR is not functional then I am happy to make you an offer to purchase your DMR, as I am sure I will get a cheap deal from you. The results I am obtaining from my functional DMR are stunning, and yes I have tried the non German made 'competition'. With this in mind I consider the cost / performance of the DMR a bargain. My DMR batteries are now charged ready for a corporate job to be done tomorrow. I can't wait, I love using it! Regards Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted November 6, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 6, 2006 Anymore news for the DMR firmware 1.3? Is it really to be released in coming December? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted November 7, 2006 Share #5 Posted November 7, 2006 There was a Leica Day on Oct 25 at my local Leica dealer. When I asked the Leica rep about the DMR firmware update v1.3, I was told that it should be ready in December. So December it should be ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted February 9, 2007 Share #6 Posted February 9, 2007 We should forget about the new firmware of DMR. It has been discontinued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted February 9, 2007 Share #7 Posted February 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) That means that they won't sell any more, not that support ends. We know that Leica has been working on it. It is meant to come out around now, so let's wait a few weeks and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted February 9, 2007 Share #8 Posted February 9, 2007 That means that they won't sell any more, not that support ends. We know that Leica has been working on it. It is meant to come out around now, so let's wait a few weeks and see. I do hope this can be happened in a short while, although none of the previous rumors about DMR firmware upgrade became truth. The DMR users have waited for a very long period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woland Posted February 22, 2008 Share #9 Posted February 22, 2008 I do hope this can be happened in a short while, although none of the previous rumors about DMR firmware upgrade became truth. The DMR users have waited for a very long period. Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR. Let's hope that the new GEO will do something to rescue Leica /Solms of this embarressing situation. I have both M8 and DMR and do not consider the company policy very good in abandoning the DMR and promoting the M8 Adobe marriage. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 22, 2008 Share #10 Posted February 22, 2008 Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR. Oh my … the new firmware (1.3) people were waiting for when this thread was active has been released in June 2007. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 23, 2008 Share #11 Posted February 23, 2008 It certainly wasn't June 2007, but it was before Christmas, and it does answer 99% of the issues with the previous firmware for the DMR. I am very happy with v1.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 23, 2008 Share #12 Posted February 23, 2008 It certainly wasn't June 2007, but it was before Christmas, and it does answer 99% of the issues with the previous firmware for the DMR. My mistake – it was July 23, not June (the firmware was actually finished in June, but released in July). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 23, 2008 Share #13 Posted February 23, 2008 How time flies... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 23, 2008 Share #14 Posted February 23, 2008 I was interested to see when browsing the Kodak web-site that the sensor used in the DMR has been discontinued. The DMR is a "done" product but seems to have been much less problematic than the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_clarke Posted February 23, 2008 Share #15 Posted February 23, 2008 Mark, I wonder: - how many sensors are on the "spares" shelf at the factory in case they're needed, - what the shelf life of an unused sensor is - do they have a sell-by date, - if there'll be an upgrade programme for the DMR? Graeme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woland Posted February 28, 2008 Share #16 Posted February 28, 2008 ..well...by knowing the facts it is easier to accept the truth. High profile companies do not abondon products produced to professionals. Well some do- like Leica seems to be doing by leaving the R9DMR software and firmware production as it is. Cheap trick just in order to get the M8 on the market. (so called customer production development without back-up). At least they should have the common manners in order to get the DMR DNGs and M8 produced DNGs work in the same program. And the best choice is Flexcolor as that was the way it started. Some SW guys should make at least a proper conversion program (not from adobe) for Flexcolor based DNGs to start with. Just hope that the people at Solms get wise:) or wiser during 2008 or 2009 I do not care...Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 28, 2008 Share #17 Posted February 28, 2008 At least they should have the common manners in order to get the DMR DNGs and M8 produced DNGs work in the same program. It’s not really a matter of manners. It is not uncommon for different cameras from the same vendor to use slightly different raw formats; actually it happens all the time. The DMR and M8 use different A/D converters and different bit depths, and it’s not resonable to suppose that both can be made to write the same data. The DMR works quite well as it is, so why change it? And there isn’t anything wrong with DNGs from the M8, either. And the best choice is Flexcolor as that was the way it started. Some SW guys should make at least a proper conversion program (not from adobe) for Flexcolor based DNGs to start with. The DNGs are just ordinary DNGs; they are in no way “FlexColor based”. FlexColor was a natural choice for the DMR back then, as the DMR was developed with a little help from Imacon, the developers of FlexColor. However, FlexColor will be phased out as a raw converter (it will live on as a scan software) when Hasselblad/Imacon introduces Phocus, so FlexColor won’t continue being a viable choice for any future camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woland Posted February 29, 2008 Share #18 Posted February 29, 2008 You must have heard about proper business manners. According to those most deals are done. There must be some dispute between the little help from Imacon in the DMR development deal. Otherwise it would have continued to lead to support the coming M8 sensor and related software. Everybody with common sense know the reason. Unless it is unclear I feel sorry for you. However, Leica as a traditional company with its financial problems (common knowledge) should not abandon old customers and leave them without product support. Makes you wonder....But take your time - there might be a future position in the marketing support for you...All the best. Take Care Woland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 29, 2008 Share #19 Posted February 29, 2008 You must have heard about proper business manners. According to those most deals are done. There must be some dispute between the little help from Imacon in the DMR development deal. Otherwise it would have continued to lead to support the coming M8 sensor and related software. Leica and Imacon thought their cooperation on the DMR to be just the first step into a long-term relationship, but it didn’t work out. So what? However, Leica as a traditional company with its financial problems (common knowledge) should not abandon old customers and leave them without product support. They used to have financial problems, but thankfully, these days are over. That Leica left their customers without product support is simply untrue. A few days ago, you did revive a one year old thread on the firmware version 1.3 that DMR owners were waiting for back then, stating “Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR.” – apparently unaware of the fact that firmware version 1.3 was released 7 months ago. What are you complaining about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted February 29, 2008 Share #20 Posted February 29, 2008 Leica and Imacon thought their cooperation on the DMR to be just the first step into a long-term relationship, but it didn’t work out. So what? They used to have financial problems, but thankfully, these days are over. That Leica left their customers without product support is simply untrue. A few days ago, you did revive a one year old thread on the firmware version 1.3 that DMR owners were waiting for back then, stating “Well the awaiting has ended. There is no new firmwire or SW for the DMR.” – apparently unaware of the fact that firmware version 1.3 was released 7 months ago. What are you complaining about? Well Michael, this is really seen through your very naive eyes! The last FW uodate for the DMR did NOT bring features a lot of us were waiting for, like SDHC support, improved WB (like in the M8 today) etc. So actually this FW 1.3 pissed lot of customers off. And some took the decision to sell this expensive piece of s.... before it looses even more value. So if your requirements are as low that you can live with the DMR as it is today without any further support, then ok, but lot others are not willing to play these strategies. And this should be understood and not tried to be played down again and again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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