ayham Posted May 4, 2009 Share #1 Posted May 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, According to Leica Rumors. Sorry if you already know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 4, 2009 Share #2 Posted May 4, 2009 So for a body only the rumor is 24k to 27k per body. I'm not even going to comment:eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 4, 2009 Share #3 Posted May 4, 2009 Leica Rumours, as usual, has a little spin of its own. This is on the original site and it sounds like a Photokina 2008 speculation: The price remains a mystery over which these sources have not wanted to make guesses. Although there was speculation during its presentation with a figure around 18,000 or 20,000 euros for the camera body, since then Leica has not given any official confirmation on the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 4, 2009 Share #4 Posted May 4, 2009 No news is good news, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 4, 2009 Share #5 Posted May 4, 2009 So for a body only the rumor is 24k to 27k per body. I'm not even going to comment:eek: Too late, you already have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted May 4, 2009 Well just glad it is just a rumor at this point. That simply is too high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted May 4, 2009 Share #7 Posted May 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guy, I see your brain already starts calculating at what price point you will buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted May 4, 2009 Share #8 Posted May 4, 2009 Well just glad it is just a rumor at this point. That simply is too high. i bet david farkas & other leica fanboys are already thinking about how to justify the price in an illuminating series of postings. will be fun to read. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted May 4, 2009 Share #9 Posted May 4, 2009 i bet david farkas & other leica fanboys are already thinking about how to justify the price inan illuminating series of postings. will be fun to read. peter Well, there is a clear end of the story - at leat for me and my photographic business: and this is whatever price for the S2 above say 18k€ excluding VAT! For this I can get either a P45+ or even a H3D2 with a 50MP back. And then I will no longer think about a S2. All below these prices makes at least me thinking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 4, 2009 Share #10 Posted May 4, 2009 Whatever amount Leica will charge for this camera is fine with me. I'm preparing to sign on a thank you letter to the first 10 forum members who bite the bullet. I hope Leica could use their money wisely on something that I'll buy. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted May 4, 2009 Share #11 Posted May 4, 2009 Whatever amount Leica will charge for this camera is fine with me. I'm preparing to sign on a thank you letter to the first 10 forum members who bite the bullet. I hope Leica could use their money wisely on something that I'll buy. Cheers. and what would you buy from leica after all? just interested.. as far as i am concerned the m-optical rangefinder concept is dead, the R series is obsolete before even presented (how can leica ever compete with nikon and canon in the FF/DX segment?). so what could be interesting for me would be a digital-rangefinder camera with AF (see micro 4/3, but the sensor should be larger). or an S3 with live view (and why not throw in video as redone does---))))), 50-60 mpx and interchangeable sensor board. well, i admit, the last item is quite challenge. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham_mitchell Posted May 4, 2009 Share #12 Posted May 4, 2009 That rumour is so far from official that it's not worth our time. and what would you buy from leica after all?just interested.. as far as i am concerned the m-optical rangefinder concept is dead, the R series is obsolete before even presented (how can leica ever compete with nikon and canon in the FF/DX segment?). so what could be interesting for me would be a digital-rangefinder camera with AF (see micro 4/3, but the sensor should be larger). or an S3 with live view (and why not throw in video as redone does---))))), 50-60 mpx and interchangeable sensor board. well, i admit, the last item is quite challenge. peter I agree - Leica can suceed if it serves niche markets and maintains the highest standards. Anything else is a recipe for disaster, imo. I see a future for the M, but we really need full frame. If a sensor which can handle this doesn't come along soon, I guess the M will go nowhere. A whole new generation of the M might be a huge success with AF and live view and user selectable focal point (using touch screen) etc. They could sell it to the "highest IQ at smallest size" crowd (and that's millions of potential customers). Actually I see this as Leica's best chance, especially if backward compatible with manual M lenses. The S2 also offers something a bit different (although to a lesser extent) and promises highest image quality - exactly what Leica needs to do. I don't see much future for it if the body+basic lens is much over $15K. Leica needs to get people into the platform before it can start to milk the user base. Selling 20,000 bodies at cost for a few years would be better than selling 200 high-priced units to the 'dentist' crowd. I hope Leica has thought this through... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 4, 2009 Share #13 Posted May 4, 2009 and what would you buy from leica after all?just interested.. as far as i am concerned the m-optical rangefinder concept is dead, the R series is obsolete before even presented (how can leica ever compete with nikon and canon in the FF/DX segment?). so what could be interesting for me would be a digital-rangefinder camera with AF (see micro 4/3, but the sensor should be larger). or an S3 with live view (and why not throw in video as redone does---))))), 50-60 mpx and interchangeable sensor board. well, i admit, the last item is quite challenge. Sounds like we are on the same page, Peter. The S2 really is just old wine in a new bottle. Leica should do something like the G1 or Samsung's NX but with a larger sensor (the NX sensor is already at the APS-C level) to replace the M and R altogether. Backward compatibility with M and R optics can be guaranteed with this solution. Leica is still an undisputable forefront runner in optics, if not because of this, I don't see many good reasons why I should buy their cameras. If they would change course and start making lenses for other mounts, that would make all of our decisions a lot easier and everybody will be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 4, 2009 Share #14 Posted May 4, 2009 Well just glad it is just a rumor at this point. That simply is too high. I thought that you were not going to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted May 5, 2009 Share #15 Posted May 5, 2009 Looking at the picture on the Spanish web site, and the S2 looks like carrying around a canon! That lens is huge. Of course, for the price Leica may include a personal assistant to carry it and the lenses. You can stand around sans camera and be stealthy until the right moment, then you grab the camera from your assistant (after proper weight training of course) point and snap your picture. Do keep your liability insurance current with a high level of protection to cover the law suits from scarring people to death and wear body armor in case someone shoots back in self defense. The funniest thing about this camera is all the Leica aficionados that complained that Nikon and Canon SLRs were too big and heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted May 5, 2009 Share #16 Posted May 5, 2009 Same feeling here - huge thing! If this is true I do not see a advantage compared to a Mamiya and lenses with Phase back. These actually look tiny compared to the S2. Or did this guy just have unfortunately very small hands? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 5, 2009 Share #17 Posted May 5, 2009 Or did this guy just have unfortunately very small hands? I think it's just an optical illusion. His hands also look large compared to his body and arms. I guess the shot was made at close range using a wide angle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 5, 2009 Share #18 Posted May 5, 2009 The lenses I believe are 77mm and 87mm. So yes they are kind of big and a lot like a Nikon 24-70 but not tapered they are barrel style. My lenses are actually smaller and some by a lot on the Mamiya glass. For example my 80mm is a lot shorter than the Leica 70mm you see in that photo floating around. The body is taller as well but obviously not as thick with a back on it. There is no weight lose here . Leica is just as heavy as anything else if not more so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted May 5, 2009 Share #19 Posted May 5, 2009 If it becomes really as big (and heavy) I still might prefer a Phamiya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted May 5, 2009 Share #20 Posted May 5, 2009 The S2 prototype body weighs 1.3 kg. It is made of milled aluminum, but the production camera will be made of cast magnesium alloy (lighter), and should weigh in at 1.1 - 1.2 kg. This is about the same as a 35mm FF DSLR and about 33% lighter than the Hassy or Phase. For comparison, here are some other weights (all with no lenses and with digital backs for MF systems): PhaseOne 645 - 1.8 kg Hasselblad H3DII - 1.8 kg Sinar Hy6 - 1.9 kg Nikon D3x - 1.3 kg Canon 1DsIII - 1.4 kg Nikon D700 - 1.1 kg Canon 5D II - 1.1 kg The lens diameters are somewhat large. They are either 82mm or 72mm, depending on the lens. The S lenses also offer faster apertures than most MF glass, like 120mm Macro f/2.5 and have leaf shutters as well, both of which require more girth. In the hand, they don't feel as heavy as they look, less dense than R lenses. Here are some shots from my Photokina blog, which show the size. I have more pictures on the blog if interested. The first is a shot of someone trying out the S2 with the 180mm f/3.5 APO. The second shot is the camera with 70mm in my right hand. My D-Lux 3 was in my left. The last three shots are side-by-side with a D700 and 24-70 f/2.8. David Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/83965-s2-release-date/?do=findComment&comment=890221'>More sharing options...
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