sean_reid Posted November 2, 2006 Share #21 Posted November 2, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Blue dot is definitely not used to set finder display brightness... Finder magnifier is good for 50mm upwards... Slight Problem: 21/24/28 Auxiliary Finder, or at least my example of it, will not fit in the hot shoe.. It's the same with the M6, though the finder is fine on a Nikon D2X and R-D1. Flashes are very tight, too, including Leica's own SF-24. Looks to me that the gap between the top flanges of the hot shoe is the absolute minimum if it's in spec. Funny you should say that. I just had to wrestle the SF24 out of the hotshoe this morning. Magnifier to me was fine for 35 mm frame lines but maybe not for people with glasses? Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marknorton Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share #22 Posted November 2, 2006 Yes, I think 50 is the limit if you wear glasses, as I do. You have youth on your side, Sean! Works well with 50, 75 and 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted November 2, 2006 Share #23 Posted November 2, 2006 I searched for "ANG 3.6" but couldn't find it. In what thread was it discussed? Malcolm My apologies - it is a typo - too excited by M8. It should have read ACR 3.6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted November 2, 2006 Share #24 Posted November 2, 2006 (shutter release is a little "gritty" ) Will smooth out with use and bed in do you think? Phew! I read that first time as 'Will smooth out with use in bed...' Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Root Posted November 3, 2006 Share #25 Posted November 3, 2006 Yes, whereas the selection of the frame lines is mechanical, just as it has always been, the electronics is sensing the position of the lever and the software displays "28mm" not 28-35-50 on the screen when you review an image (with lens sensing enabled). Thank you for confirming this for me and it stands to reason that Leica would have put in this feature for the tri-elmars to take full advantage of the integrated flash and vignetting. Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #26 Posted November 3, 2006 Scott, the new Tri-Elmar seems to be different. Assuming the mount I saw on the lens at Photokina was final, it doesn't have the mecahnism to change the framelines as you change the focal length and I don't see how the camera can tell the focal length in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted November 3, 2006 Share #27 Posted November 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) the new one doesn't need the frameline mechanism - because there are no framelines for it. and maybe the focal lengths aren't that different and vignetting correction is the same for all of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 3, 2006 Share #28 Posted November 3, 2006 A lot of M8 users have reported how, at first, their right thumb itches to crank the film wind advance. I haven't really had that feeling but I do find it very weird taking the baseplate off to remove the SD card after what seems only a few shots. I like the basic design thinking behind the M8 baseplate but everytime I go to take the baseplate off I get a strange (nervous?) feeling that I haven't rewound the film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #29 Posted November 3, 2006 I haven't decided which I prefer - to take the card out or empty it using the USB. Getting the plug in is a bit fiddly with the plastic/rubber door getting in the way. Important to remember too the latch only turns a quarter turn, not the full half turn of (at least) the M6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #30 Posted November 3, 2006 the new one doesn't need the frameline mechanism - because there are no framelines for it. and maybe the focal lengths aren't that different and vignetting correction is the same for all of them It will be interesting to see what frame lines it actually displays since there is no "None" position. I've just bought a CV 15mm and chose a 28/90 screw adapater which I think is the best, but of course there's no rangefinder coupling the viewfinder is pretty redundant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 3, 2006 Share #31 Posted November 3, 2006 I haven't decided which I prefer - to take the card out or empty it using the USB. Getting the plug in is a bit fiddly with the plastic/rubber door getting in the way. Important to remember too the latch only turns a quarter turn, not the full half turn of (at least) the M6. Mark please take my advice on this one do not download from camera. Probably a really bad habit to get in and why put more wear and tear on a port that is connected to a expensive camera that eventually will probably give out. These ports on any camera just are not designed for this heavy use. i lost more firewire ports on my canons when shooting tethered a lot. I simply don't trust these in the long run Working in digital requires a certain amount of process and here is a area that you simply never change your process for anyone or any reason. My workflow is after I shoot a card i turn the card upside down inside a little carry case for SD cards . So when i open the case if a card is upside down i know immediately that is a shot card and not to touch it until I get to a computer and than download it and than back it up to a external drive. than i leave the images on the card just in case something weird happens . than when ready to shoot a new card I format it in camera ( i disagree with leica's recommendation here on formating once in awhile) than shoot and repeat the process. Okay why do I disagree with leica , these cards can get fragmented and cause issues , I have been doing this so long and seen issues where folks don't format in the camera. Don't format on computer and only in camera. Is this scientific fact who knows and who cares but it is proven experience. This is a area that I stress very highly , don't play games here. This is for everyone format in camera and only in camera and try not to download directly from the camera using firewire or usb. those plugs will eventually wear out. Find a working process that works for you and just stick to it and never change it. I guarntee if you don't at some point you will screw up and format the wrong card Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #32 Posted November 3, 2006 Thanks for the useful advise Guy, I agree the baby USB ports do not appear especially robust. Interesting too to hear of your workflow and sticking to it no matter what. It's clear I have much to learn from the professional photographers here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #33 Posted November 3, 2006 Yes, whereas the selection of the frame lines is mechanical, just as it has always been, the electronics is sensing the position of the lever and the software displays "28mm" not 28-35-50 on the screen when you review an image (with lens sensing enabled). Turns out you can fool the camera! Select 35 on the Tri-Elmar and push the frame selection lever in and the image data says 50 or 28, depending on how far you've pushed the lever in! Shows they really are sensing the position of the lever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #34 Posted November 3, 2006 Slight Problem: 21/24/28 Auxiliary Finder, or at least my example of it, will not fit in the hot shoe.. It's the same with the M6, though the finder is fine on a Nikon D2X and R-D1. Flashes are very tight, too, including Leica's own SF-24. OK, I've solved the problem by running a soft pencil lead along the sides of the finder and flash shoes and working them on and off the camera a few times to micro-lubricate the surfaces. Still tight, but OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted November 3, 2006 Share #35 Posted November 3, 2006 Another reason not to download from camera is that you have to be sure that your battery doesn't give out while downloading.....there is no AC adapter to use. And why not be charging your battery while downloading? My workflow includes taking both the battery and SD card out simultaneously - otherwise, someday you will take the card out and forget to charge the battery.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted November 3, 2006 Share #36 Posted November 3, 2006 Mark please take my advice on this one do not download from camera. Probably a really bad habit to get in and why put more wear and tear on a port that is connected to a expensive camera that eventually will probably give out. These ports on any camera just are not designed for this heavy use. i lost more firewire ports on my canons when shooting tethered a lot. I simply don't trust these in the long run Working in digital requires a certain amount of process and here is a area that you simply never change your process for anyone or any reason. My workflow is after I shoot a card i turn the card upside down inside a little carry case for SD cards . So when i open the case if a card is upside down i know immediately that is a shot card and not to touch it until I get to a computer and than download it and than back it up to a external drive. than i leave the images on the card just in case something weird happens . than when ready to shoot a new card I format it in camera ( i disagree with leica's recommendation here on formating once in awhile) than shoot and repeat the process. Okay why do I disagree with leica , these cards can get fragmented and cause issues , I have been doing this so long and seen issues where folks don't format in the camera. Don't format on computer and only in camera. Is this scientific fact who knows and who cares but it is proven experience. This is a area that I stress very highly , don't play games here. This is for everyone format in camera and only in camera and try not to download directly from the camera using firewire or usb. those plugs will eventually wear out. Find a working process that works for you and just stick to it and never change it. I guarntee if you don't at some point you will screw up and format the wrong card Guy this is very good advice for people who are new or fairly new to digital. Through trial. error and heartache I have developed a work flow which works for me and I stick to it rigidly This includes a standard file naming protocol when ingesting the images for the first time (I use PhotoMechanic) Another sound piece of advice is to avoid a lot of deleting of images on the fly. It has never happened to me but I have heard several stories of corrupted cards where this practice is supposed to be the culprit. I always delete in the computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted November 3, 2006 Share #37 Posted November 3, 2006 Funny you should say that. I just had to wrestle the SF24 out of the hotshoe this morning. Magnifier to me was fine for 35 mm frame lines but maybe not for people with glasses? Sean Hi Sean in your review you mention the current auxiliary finder as an alternative to the new one that goes with the Tri Elmar Mark seems to be having trouble fitting his in the hotshoe, Did you actually try one on your M8? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxlim Posted November 3, 2006 Share #38 Posted November 3, 2006 Mark please take my advice on this one do not download from camera. Probably a really bad habit to get in and why put more wear and tear on a port that is connected to a expensive camera that eventually will probably give out. These ports on any camera just are not designed for this heavy use. i lost more firewire ports on my canons when shooting tethered a lot. I simply don't trust these in the long run Working in digital requires a certain amount of process and here is a area that you simply never change your process for anyone or any reason. My workflow is after I shoot a card i turn the card upside down inside a little carry case for SD cards . So when i open the case if a card is upside down i know immediately that is a shot card and not to touch it until I get to a computer and than download it and than back it up to a external drive. than i leave the images on the card just in case something weird happens . than when ready to shoot a new card I format it in camera ( i disagree with leica's recommendation here on formating once in awhile) than shoot and repeat the process. Okay why do I disagree with leica , these cards can get fragmented and cause issues , I have been doing this so long and seen issues where folks don't format in the camera. Don't format on computer and only in camera. Is this scientific fact who knows and who cares but it is proven experience. This is a area that I stress very highly , don't play games here. This is for everyone format in camera and only in camera and try not to download directly from the camera using firewire or usb. those plugs will eventually wear out. Find a working process that works for you and just stick to it and never change it. I guarntee if you don't at some point you will screw up and format the wrong card Good advice. My own workflow is to delete the images then format in the camera I will be using and just prior to a job (had an issue of formatting with different brands of cameras, not sure if its still an issue these days) . This pre-flight routine should be done in peace and quiet and doing a quick check of images on the card before deleting images. I have only 2 occasions of corrupt images in the last 7 years. Be careful of the exposed contacts of the SD cards. I have not personally experienced any as my CF cards are the workhorses and the SDs are backup on my 1DmkIIn. One last thing. Had a weird experience with my 20D earlier this year. The camera displayed an error message and started triggering randomly but only when a CF card was inserted and behaved fine without the card. The Canon tech could not find out what was wrong till he used a blower on the contacts in the camera. A bit of dirt or lint shorted the camera whenever a CF was inserted. Didn't help that the camera went bonkers on me in the middle of a ghost tour in Port Arthur, Tasmania. Hope that helps. Have fun with your M8 Look forward to your pictures. Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share #39 Posted November 3, 2006 Hi Sean in your review you mention the current auxiliary finder as an alternative to the new one that goes with the Tri Elmar Mark seems to be having trouble fitting his in the hotshoe, Did you actually try one on your M8? thanks I posted on another thread that running a pencil down the side of the foot has allowed me to fit it, just a little graphite to help things along. Still a little tight and Leica are saying that I should return the camera so that they can adjust the hot-shoe and I may do that once my second body arrives. After all this time, I'm not going to send it away after a couple of days! There's no doubt the finder does fit the hot shoe, we're talking tenths of a mm here. Once mounted, the finder is fine and really helps with the 21mm (when set to 28mm) and will be good too for the 16 and 18 on the Tri-Elmar if I decide to get it. Today, I was also trying the CV 15 with the finder set to 21mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 3, 2006 Share #40 Posted November 3, 2006 I searched for "ANG 3.6" but couldn't find it. In what thread was it discussed? Malcolm Isn't this a typo? Shouldn't it be "DNG 3.6?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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