abrewer Posted July 4, 2006 Share #21 Posted July 4, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Andy, I think you should try again; but make an attempt to speak the German language, even if Google is the only tool you have right now. My experience has been natives will appreciate your effort and reward it by helping you, and in the end you learn. And my experience has also been that among non-native English speakers, the Germans are particularly keen to use their foreign language skills and enjoy having an English-speaking friend to practice on in a relatively "safe" encounter. Thank you Ravindar, and Andreas, for noticing my pictures! As an amateur, I've never asked much more than others' honest feedback regarding my efforts. It is really wonderful to hear my named mentioned with photographers who are, quite frankly, far and away superior in every way to my meager abilities. Personally, I really enjoy both the duality of the Forum and the cross-over. The German side is its own little club with its own unique interests (try posting anything over there now that the Germans are in the semi's of the Cup and see how hard it is to get their attention!). And the members from that side that enrich the International Forum include both old friends (Peter Hohsl, Ron, Rolf Adam, Stefan Rohner) and new (Jan, Bernd, Klaus, and many others). Vive la difference! Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share #22 Posted July 4, 2006 Allan I had a year of German tuition when I was at school. We had an excellent teacher by the name of Doctor Palme, an Austrian who looked like Einstein. His mantra was "G.I.V.E.", and used to start every sentence with "Heck fellas..." So, in this context, his sentence was "Heck fellas, German Is Very Easy" in a very broad Austrian accent. He wasn't a real Doctor, but used to do the First Aid in the school, hence the moniker. Hmm. Any idea why I didn't last more than a year in his class, 30 years ago? Cos it ain't! I'd rather not upset anyone else, so I shall look, but not touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted July 4, 2006 Share #23 Posted July 4, 2006 (try posting anything over there now that the Germans are in the semi's of the Cup and see how hard it is to get their attention!). Thanks. Allan nicht jetzt! Ich schaue das Spiel jetzt an und es ist so langweilig, ich habe mich angemeldet! Not now, the game is as exciting as using a Canon ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest menze_as Posted July 4, 2006 Share #24 Posted July 4, 2006 To me - having posted in the old German forum - it is more interesting to show my pictures in the international forum. Why? well ... more diversity, more seriousness, more objectiveness, more about the picture itself. Just more photographers of different nations and different interests. Regards, Astrid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share #25 Posted July 4, 2006 To me - having posted in the old German forum - it is more interesting to show my pictures in the international forum. Why? well ... more diversity, more seriousness, more objectiveness, more about the picture itself.Just more photographers of different nations and different interests. Regards, Astrid You mean that the Germans are less serious on the German forum than the ROW are on the International one? "I don't believe it"! It can't be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest menze_as Posted July 4, 2006 Share #26 Posted July 4, 2006 Well Andy, it's only a short time I am with you. Maybe I will change my opinion soon... But I won't tell more, since everyone makes his own experiences ... all the best, Astrid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted July 4, 2006 Share #27 Posted July 4, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've popped over there a few times now - I've had to post in English but everyone there seems very friendly - I'm trying to find out if they know anyone who can teach us to take penalties... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted July 4, 2006 Share #28 Posted July 4, 2006 I was registered on both the old forums but my German language is almost non-existant. I guess that I still "go over there" about once a week. What has surprised me are the number of "Internationals" who seem to have been around for some while but of whom I was unaware until the change- where did they post previously? Also, the International is now almost exclusively English speaking, I used to enjoy trying to unravel Spanish and Portuguese with may basic Italian and Esperanto. Where are those folks? Cheers, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted July 4, 2006 Share #29 Posted July 4, 2006 One thing I did notice there is that Stephan Rohner, who posts regularly on both forums, has a portfolio being published in a german photographic magazine http://www.edition-dibue.de/html/download.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted July 5, 2006 Share #30 Posted July 5, 2006 Hi Andy; Do you refer to your comments about a light house in France? From your postings I could not make out anything which might coused anoyance or irritations. Also there is no one who got annoyed by your comments and there is no need to be concerned. In fact I got the impressen that your remarks are very welcome. I doubt that Herr Google is able to translate properly but you are well noticed here and over there and they appreciated your valuable comments. I agree that posting these images should only take place in the international forum. If it boils down to the design and structure of this forum I would welcome if this matter would be acknowledged and taken into consideration. We all speak Leica, don't we....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted April 6, 2007 Share #31 Posted April 6, 2007 You mean that the Germans are less serious on the German forum than the ROW are on the International one?"I don't believe it"! It can't be true. strange, but true.... I recently started browsing in the German speaking section, and what I find really refreshing 'over there' is the healthy irreverence that keeps popping up. In the international section there seems to be a bit of a stiffly british or politically correct americanness, or something, that keeps the jokes down. The other difference, which I also discovered when invited along to my local photo club in Germany, is that the Germans will give willingly of their criticism as well as praise. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing rather depends on the thickness of your skin Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Knightworth Posted April 6, 2007 Share #32 Posted April 6, 2007 I actually frequent both forums regularly, for I read German well. The style and topics are totally different (both text as images). You can get an impression by the number of threads under the similar topics. In the Intl. forum digital photog. is the absolute topper, in the German forum it's more balanced out. The intl. forum is more social and friendly where as the german forum is formal and business like. For me the information value on the german forum is larger, whereas the Intl. forum is overall a more friendly place. It's a pity though that the non-digital forums are so scarcely used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted April 6, 2007 Share #33 Posted April 6, 2007 "Zitat von andybarton You mean that the Germans are less serious on the German forum than the ROW are on the International one? "I don't believe it"! It can't be true. strange, but true.... I recently started browsing in the German speaking section, and what I find really refreshing 'over there' is the healthy irreverence that keeps popping up. In the international section there seems to be a bit of a stiffly british or politically correct americanness, or something, that keeps the jokes down. The other difference, which I also discovered when invited along to my local photo club in Germany, is that the Germans will give willingly of their criticism as well as praise. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing rather depends on the thickness of your skin Guy" Guy, good that you brought this thread up again. I wasn't aware of it. What you call irreverence is in reality reverence for speaking out the truth. It's a basic necessity to keep the German forum interesting for German members in general as well as being an indicator for Leica to improve their products further and meet again the quality standards as expected for pricy products in the German market - anytime in the future maybe. "...depends on the thickness of your skin " It's not that bad. I enjoy reading both forums. I'm sure that many more people would enjoy the German forum if the German language would be understood to a greater extend. Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted April 6, 2007 Share #34 Posted April 6, 2007 I actually frequent both forums regularly, for I read German well. The style and topics are totally different (both text as images). You can get an impression by the number of threads under the similar topics. In the Intl. forum digital photog. is the absolute topper, in the German forum it's more balanced out. The intl. forum is more social and friendly where as the german forum is formal and business like. For me the information value on the german forum is larger, whereas the Intl. forum is overall a more friendly place. It's a pity though that the non-digital forums are so scarcely used I can't agree. Due to the larger user base you can find more sophisticated M8 related information in the international digital forum. And - I don't think that the German forum is 'formal and business like' nor it is unfriendly. At least in German business life you simply can't perform like in the forum. Interesting, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Knightworth Posted April 6, 2007 Share #35 Posted April 6, 2007 I can't agree. Due to the larger user base you can find more sophisticated M8 related information in the international digital forum. And - I don't think that the German forum is 'formal and business like' nor it is unfriendly. At least in German business life you simply can't perform like in the forum. Interesting, isn't it? I am not implying that the German site is "Unfriendly" ..... I am refering to the "over-friendlyness" of the intl. forum. A large percentage of postings here are the "great's" "thank-you's" "marvelously done" "thanks for sharing" etc..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted April 6, 2007 Share #36 Posted April 6, 2007 Time is also a factor. For the past few months I have found it difficult to keep up with all that is being posted. But I have been researching issues outside the Leica and general photography line. Whenever I can, I always return to the Leica Forum for the quality of the contributions and the fair mindedness of all members. Thank you all. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted April 7, 2007 Share #37 Posted April 7, 2007 Time is definitely a factor! Aber das ist sehr gute Uebung fuer mein Deutsch, ich soll mehr oft besuchen! -- good practice for my German -- if I could figure out how to do umlauts on the Mac keyboard. Must have a look more often, and it would be great to hear form more German speakers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share #38 Posted April 7, 2007 Time is definitely a factor! Aber das ist sehr gute Uebung fuer mein Deutsch, ich soll mehr oft besuchen! -- good practice for my German -- if I could figure out how to do umlauts on the Mac keyboard. Must have a look more often, and it would be great to hear form more German speakers. Like this? ü You simply use the "alt"/"option" key and type u, then the letter over which you want the umlaut So, ü is 'alt-u u' Similarly, é is 'alt-e e" and ä is 'alt-u a" î is 'alt-i i' There are easy ways to do all sorts of accents and alternative alphabet letters Try it. It is very simple and intuitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted April 7, 2007 Share #39 Posted April 7, 2007 Time is definitely a factor! Aber das ist sehr gute Uebung fuer mein Deutsch, ich soll mehr oft besuchen! -- good practice for my German -- if I could figure out how to do umlauts on the Mac keyboard. Must have a look more often, and it would be great to hear form more German speakers. I you correct my English faults I correct your German faults. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted April 7, 2007 Share #40 Posted April 7, 2007 I am not implying that the German site is "Unfriendly" ..... I am refering to the "over-friendlyness" of the intl. forum. A large percentage of postings here are the "great's" "thank-you's" "marvelously done" "thanks for sharing" etc..... OK, I understand what you mean. No problem. Thank you so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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