rpo Posted October 24, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello. My test continue. Again M8 dng files from 160 to 2500 Iso full format dowloadables at this address. [Removed by admin] Regards from Italy Roberto Piero Ottavi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 Hi rpo, Take a look here DNG M8 files on-line. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sdai Posted October 24, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks a lot for these, Roberto ... it's going to be a lot of fun playing with them today however, I just discovered that at the production firmware level 1.06, the DNG files are still 8-bit uncompressed. EDIT: Leica have specifically requested that DNG files and EXIF information from M8 files should NOT be circulated until the cameras are available in the stores to buy. Sorry. AndyB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 24, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 24, 2006 Robert - thanks also. It's better to be able to see the RAW file on your own system. Best Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted October 24, 2006 Share #4 Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks Roberto! Stupid question: did you extract the SD card, carry it to your computer and insert it in a reader to pull these files OR did you wire the camera to your computer and upload? I'm trying to figure out what the difference in transfer times might be? (We haven't had the pleasure of visiting Roma yet, but there's a part of our heart that forever will be in Siena!) Thanks! -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpo Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted October 24, 2006 I always prefer to extract the SD card and to insert in a card reader, I don't like much to connect any camera to the computer… (I have burnt my Olympus E20 digital camera connected to the computer and I prefer to destroy the card...). Ciao Roberto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike prevette Posted October 24, 2006 Share #6 Posted October 24, 2006 Fantastico!!! p.s. Zip'ing these DNG's would save you some bandwith. -cheers _mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maio Posted October 24, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Roberto, These are truly helpful and I thank you for them. Curiously, I can't seem to open them in Capture One (V3.7.5), but ACR does open them The detail at 100% on the ISO 160 samples is truly amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkone Posted October 24, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 24, 2006 The jury is still out on the 8 bit business, but regardless of all that, these images look good to me. Thanks for making these available Roberto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 24, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 24, 2006 EDIT: Leica have specifically requested that DNG files and EXIF information from M8 files should NOT be circulated until the cameras are available in the stores to buy. Sorry. AndyB Fair enough, Andy ... I certainly understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike prevette Posted October 24, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 24, 2006 Ok so the only file I've played with so far was the 2500 test shot. When I first cracked it open, I must admit I was a little disapointed. Then I realised my photoshop settings were mainly to blame. I also injected myself with a dose of reality. I tweeked a little, and did to it exactly what i would do if it were my image. I'm still bothered by the patter of digital "grain" but the m8 makes the most filmic i've ever seen. In the end i'm very happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike prevette Posted October 24, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 24, 2006 CRAP, I just looked at the posts above. My appologies I thought the ban and NDA had been lifted as the firmware went gold. _mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike prevette Posted October 24, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 24, 2006 Wow, that 90mm portrait of the woman. Just WOW. Possibly the first digital picture I have ever seen that didn't need any USM or RAW sharpening whatsoever. Fantastic. _mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted October 24, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 24, 2006 Sorry guys, I just removed the URLs published. Please understand that we can't tolerate RAW files of the M8 until the firmware is final because it's Leicas wish. All testers signed a NDA and I don't want it to be broken here. Ronald and I are talking to Solms and hope to find an agreement but until then please no more files and URLs. Thank you Andreas (also curious about the files...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 24, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 24, 2006 It does beg the question why Leica are allowing people to shoot with their own cards and then take the files away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 24, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 24, 2006 There's no doubt that the 2500 noise is much less objectionable when the colour is removed, the resulting grain is quite interesting. As regards the continued embargo, you do wonder what they are still doing to it. Yes of course these things go to the wire but there comes a time when they have to press the big green button. Incidentally, I spoke to Leica UK yesterday and their position is "very small numbers of cameras" starting in December and he could offer no assurance that even being No 2 at a dealer will get me a camera before Christmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted October 24, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 24, 2006 Ok so the only file I've played with so far was the 2500 test shot. When I first cracked it open, I must admit I was a little disapointed. Then I realised my photoshop settings were mainly to blame. I also injected myself with a dose of reality. I tweeked a little, and did to it exactly what i would do if it were my image. I'm still bothered by the patter of digital "grain" but the m8 makes the most filmic i've ever seen. In the end i'm very happy. Capture One 3.7.5 seems to handle the high ISO noise better than ACR. It's very film like and not at all objectionable for that type of picture. It's a vast improvement from what I can remember of pushed NPZ. for the same ISO. In places the low ISO files have a lot of very fine detail. I've noticed that sharpening of 0.1 pixel radius at 80% is much more visible than with Canon DSLR files where the radius has to be incresed to 0.3 or more. The fine detail is more crisp. What I did notice is that at middle ISOs only there's streaking on the wall to the left of the bright overexposed window. A limitation of CCD technology that CMOS is more immune from. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike prevette Posted October 24, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 24, 2006 Ok so I might have discovered one of the reasons Leica is still working on these things. I'm not going to post detail shots. But can someone else who grabbed DNG's take a look at the railings of the buildings on the far right of the frame in shot 7. In Photoshop I'm getting some strange patterns in the way the railings are getting rendered. i've seen these artifacts before but usually when the raw program hasn't been updated to handle a specific camera. p.s. this file in particular just convinced me this is possibly the finest compact digital camera ever. _mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 24, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 24, 2006 I actually hope the 2500 performance is better. The (now removed) DNGs are pretty noisy to my eyes at 2500. Of course, the lenses still give that Leica look! And I can work with the noise levels, but I hope they're better in the final firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted October 24, 2006 Share #19 Posted October 24, 2006 Mike, looks as if it's standard Moire, admittedly rather strong. Even a Canon 1Ds MkII with it's low pass filter will show similar effects on fine railings and produce mosaicing of fine detail. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted October 24, 2006 Share #20 Posted October 24, 2006 This will be very frustrating for those who didn't get the files, but I can understand the ban if they were made with firmware before the final shipping version. Mike, would you share the settings you used in Photoshop? - I used C1 Pro (I caved in and bought) and didn't make it look that nice. I also made some tiffs of the two higher ISO shots with C1, with no noise reduction, just so I could see what Noise Ninja could do. I can make the 1250 shot acceptable, but was thinking 2500 only if there's no other way; you are making the 2500 look very good too! If it would be better etiquette, as this is Leica's board, to wait until after the ban is lifted (or if you regard the settings as trade secrets) I'll understand.This is all encouraging..... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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