jaapv Posted February 24, 2009 Share #21 Posted February 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the concept of an optical accesory viewfinder cannot be for utmost accuracy. It is more of an aiming device... I know of very few if any hotshoe finders that can be called exact. The CV one I used on the Dlux4 was off in horizontal sense..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted February 24, 2009 Share #22 Posted February 24, 2009 I just checked my finder again at infinity and i can't believe it.... Seems like Jos is right! I got exactly the same result! O__O Yet in use you found it accurate enough. It is not a brick wall device..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted February 24, 2009 Share #23 Posted February 24, 2009 The picture speaks for itself! Good luck! differently-- Thanks for posting the diagram--I didn't get one with my finder. What's funny to me is that the supposedly 35mm frame in my case seems to line up perfectly with the camera's 24mm (equiv) image at about two meters. If the outer frame is 24mm and the inner one is 35mm, then this finder should be perfect with the M8, using the inner frame for the 4/3 crop factor. Look how much money we just saved if we later want to get a 24mm lens for the M8! I don't suppose it has an adjustment screw in the top or the bottom by any chance? Andy-- No, no adjustment screw, just a simple plastic housing. What an interesting thread of new discoveries for all of us. Bravo, Jos, for starting it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intex Posted February 25, 2009 Share #24 Posted February 25, 2009 Has anyone tried either the Voightlander 21mm or smaller 28/35mm viewfinder? I am trying to get an idea of what size these are in relation to the camera and the Leica viewfinder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 25, 2009 Share #25 Posted February 25, 2009 They block the flash. I have just tried out the vertical alignment of the viewfinder. It is *very* accurate, so much so that I cannot find any difference between the framing of the viewfinder and the image. So it may be one batch has been off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo035 Posted February 25, 2009 Share #26 Posted February 25, 2009 Earlier in this thread I wrote " Have been checking the Ricoh GV-1 (down to £80 at Ffordes just now) off-set so likely not to obstruct the D-lux 4 flash, with 21 and 28mm frames". Since then I have discovered that the Ricoh GV-1 (and GV-2) frame aspect ratios are 4:3, and of course with the off-set GV-1 (intended to allow an adjacent flash unit to rise) you will need to remember that you will be getting less of the left and more of the right of the frame in your actual capture. To quote (or misquote) an old adage : "you pay your money and take your choice" DLUX4VF @ £195.50 (Robert White) or GV-1 @ £79.99 (Ffordes) NB I have not tried either on my D-Lux4 as yet, and assume the GV-1 would not "interfere" with the operation of the Mode Dial. Although it may obstruct the top of the dial, as we know, the selected Mode becomes part of the LCD Monitor Display. Regarding the CV (Voigtlander) viewfinders, as far as I am aware their aspect ratio is 3:2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intex Posted February 26, 2009 Share #27 Posted February 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I need to purchase a Viewfinder in the next month , but do NOT want to spend the amount for the Leica model. Has anyone compliled a listing of viewfinders that will both fit the DLux4, without getting in the way of the flash? I never even thought that this might be a problem. I do not need to have the viewfinder 100% accurate, I can trim the picture in Lightroom afterwards, but at least want to get a "ballpark" idea of where I am shooting w/o using the LCD. What about the Voightlander smaller VF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted February 27, 2009 Share #28 Posted February 27, 2009 I'm a bit puzzled by all the uproar. I tried using the external VF, but can't see it's utility beyond allowing the user to be lazy. It's amazing to me that many of the forum members purr about the philosophic underpinings of using a rangefinder, which permits one to see both what it's in the frameline & outside of it. Same advantage to using the LCD-Live view in this fine camera. Using the VF doesn't allow you to leverage the effects of manual settings. Here Leica & Panasonic give us this amazing huge electronic viewfinder which allows you to recompose in 3 different ratios and instead, folks want to look through a tiny viewfinder which only allows an approximation of what will be captured. Go figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted February 27, 2009 Share #29 Posted February 27, 2009 Yet in use you found it accurate enough. It is not a brick wall device..... You should try the optical vf in the Canon G10. Not only is it inaccurate, even when brand new the view thru it is like dirty dishwater. So, you get a built-in vf that isn't accurate or clear, or you buy an external vf. People are so fraking picky... Go buy a Voigtlander 'finder if you absolutely have to have one and don't want to b__ch about the cost. http://www.micahwalter.com/2008/11/26/the-voigtlander-viewfinders-for-the-lx3/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 27, 2009 Share #30 Posted February 27, 2009 Using the VF doesn't allow you to leverage the effects of manual settings. Here Leica & Panasonic give us this amazing huge electronic viewfinder which allows you to recompose in 3 different ratios and instead, folks want to look through a tiny viewfinder which only allows an approximation of what will be captured. Go figure. I have no idea what the first sentence means, but personally I don't like using viewfinders on the backs of cameras. I prefer a 'proper' viewfinder and this is one of the most attractive features of the Panasonic/Leica. If I upgrade from my LX2, this will be one of the main reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted February 27, 2009 Share #31 Posted February 27, 2009 Was genuinely surprised how good the viewfinder on the Canon and the Nikon were. I wouldnt have any problem with the external finder for the Pana/Leica either. If they work the same way twice, then they are accurate, and you can learn them. People need to polish their eyeballs and practice a bit before hitting the whine bottle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share #32 Posted February 27, 2009 I tried Panasonic LX3 with Panasonic viewfinder…..It works very well ! ! ! I don’t know, why my D-lux4 with original D-lux4 viewfinder doesn’t work ! ! ! And…….Leica with viewfinder is more expensive than Panasonic LX3 with viewfinder……..:mad: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 27, 2009 Share #33 Posted February 27, 2009 If they work the same way twice, then they are accurate, and you can learn them. People need to polish their eyeballs and practice a bit before hitting the whine bottle. :D:D:D Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.m.e.p. Posted February 27, 2009 Share #34 Posted February 27, 2009 I think it´s a bad joke to offer a fixed viewfinder for a ZOOM-Camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted February 27, 2009 Share #35 Posted February 27, 2009 I have no idea what the first sentence means, but personally I don't like using viewfinders on the backs of cameras. I prefer a 'proper' viewfinder and this is one of the most attractive features of the Panasonic/Leica. If I upgrade from my LX2, this will be one of the main reasons. First off, all VF's are "on the back" of cameras. The first sentence alludes to things like depth of field, selective focusing, OOF areas and other relevant information that many people find important to image capture. It's awfully nice to see what you can capture, not just guess. To me there's nothing "proper" about an external viewfinder. They add weight, get in the way of visualizing and aren't accurate. I reluctanly used one with my VC 15, but only until I could train myself to visualize what the framelines would be without it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted February 27, 2009 Share #36 Posted February 27, 2009 First off, all VF's are "on the back" of cameras. The first sentence alludes to things like depth of field, selective focusing, OOF areas and other relevant information that many people find important to image capture. It's awfully nice to see what you can capture, not just guess. To me there's nothing "proper" about an external viewfinder. They add weight, get in the way of visualizing and aren't accurate. I reluctanly used one with my VC 15, but only until I could train myself to visualize what the framelines would be without it. Horses for courses. To my mind, an LCD at arms length gets in the way of visualizing. I find it awkward as hell to glance down at a screen, back up at the subject and surroundings, down at the screen again, etc. I would much rather keep my eye to the camera for framing, focusing, composition, and determination of the "decisive moment". I do agree with you that a fixed focal length external viewfinder on a camera such as the D-Lux 4 is a seriously compromised solution --- I would have much rather seen them add a couple cm to the height of the body (and a couple hundred bucks to the price) for a proper, high quality, built in optical VF, but alas. So for those of us that prefer optical viewfinders and holding a camera to our eye (which I'm guessing is what Steve means when he says "proper"), the availability of mounting an external VF to the hotshoe is an attractive option, and certainly a reason to prefer this camera to other competing models withhout a hotshoe. BTW, not sure what a "VC 15" is. Maybe you're referring to a CV Super Wide Heliar? Or maybe you're a big fan of Vince Carter? If the Heliar, I wouldn't want to use a lens that wide without an external VF. If you have a .72 Leica M, the 28mm framelines are basically right at the edge of the VF. So visualizing where a 15mm would be while getting no more than a 28mm look through the VF would seem to be rather futile, especially if concerned about accuracy as you seem to be. But if that works for you, more power! Regards, Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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