larry Posted October 27, 2006 Share #21 Posted October 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Larry, my understanding from Puts is that they are in fact zoom lenses, but with a mechanism to select the three focal lengths in the range. Hi Steve, Thanks -- I'll defer to Puts, I'm sure he knows a lot more about lenses than I do. Leica’s literature led me to believe these lenses could only be used at the fixed stops. Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Hi larry, Take a look here What is the most controversial Leica proposal?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
frc Posted October 31, 2006 Share #22 Posted October 31, 2006 Hi Larry, Joachim and Albert, Sorry guys, I didn't warn you. It was ment as humor. The Tri-elmar in one of my favorit and most used lenses, and yes I know it is not a zoom but a tri focal. Sorry for the confusion, won't try to be funny again ;-) Best, Fr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share #23 Posted October 31, 2006 That's alright. We always thought about slapping that Contax G zoom onto our M's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
square_one Posted October 31, 2006 Share #24 Posted October 31, 2006 If '...most controversial...proposal' means most-questionable-policy, I would say Leitz's/Leica's long-running commitment to Special Editions of this and that. I could be wrong. Such stuff is certainly nice for a maker's image and I don't have all the numbers to look at, but short-run fancied-up basic cameras, while making some extremist Leicaphiles happy, can't have added much to the bottom-line over the years. Seems more likely sentimentality has distracted our complacent Elves from moving forward more smartly, making more money, gaining more survivable market share. But Long Live Leica, the rarest of organizations, one that respects itself and quality more than the almighty Euro. And may their better-late-than-never M8-leap into the new Digital World be a huge success - me with one of those 'special' O-series and zip interest in digital !! Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 2, 2006 Share #25 Posted November 2, 2006 Hi Steve, Thanks -- I'll defer to Puts, I'm sure he knows a lot more about lenses than I do. Leica’s literature led me to believe these lenses could only be used at the fixed stops. Larry And that is exactly what Puts said in his Compendium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaeoboy Posted November 2, 2006 Share #26 Posted November 2, 2006 Their next price rise? Seriously though, I think the Minolta association always causes the most constination. I believe it was a good move personally because it resulted in some of my favourite cameras and 40mm lenses but I still read the sarcastic remarks to this day. Not a true Leica and all that nonsense to claims of Leica rejecting 90% of Minolta made lenses which is just pure Leica myth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 3, 2006 Share #27 Posted November 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Puts also says p133... "In order to appreciate the mechanical complexity of this lens, let us first review the basics of zoom lens design, because from its optical design the Tri-Elmar is a true zoom lens" :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted November 3, 2006 Share #28 Posted November 3, 2006 I seem to remember reading a piece in AP that Leica had done a mock-up (possibly not even a prototype) 110 camera – or am I imagining it. There are photos of design studies and prototypes for both a fixed lens and a zoom version of a 'harmonica' style 110 camera in Paul-Henry van Hasbroek's Leica History book. They were done when Leica was scratching around for new products in the 1960s. Thank God they never went into production or they really would have convinced everyone that the company was washed up. The design looked much like the cameras you used to be able to buy in a bubble pack at a convenience store... The Leica H fixed-lens half-frame camera, which reached the prototype stage in 1968, was also a pretty weird-looking design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaeoboy Posted November 4, 2006 Share #29 Posted November 4, 2006 "Thank God they never went into production or they really would have convinced everyone that the company was washed up." Not really as the 110 format was quite popular back then in the age of Minox and advancement of fine grain films suitable for smaller formats were just starting to hit the market. So much so Leitz did produce a 110 Slide projector with a choice of colorplan and a non-colorplan lens. Its not unreasonable that they would have marketed a camera in a format they had a slide projector for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 4, 2006 Share #30 Posted November 4, 2006 I can remember the 110 format being launched (late 60s?). The major problem as I understand it was that there was no system for keeping the film flat - i.e. no pressure plate. Perhaps I've go that wrong, it was a long time ago. A friend who also uses Leica had some horror stories to tell about a plastic bodier Leica mini that he once owned. Horrible results from all accounts. The rebadging seems to be much better these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted November 4, 2006 Share #31 Posted November 4, 2006 "Thank God they never went into production or they really would have convinced everyone that the company was washed up." Not really as the 110 format was quite popular back then in the age of Minox and advancement of fine grain films suitable for smaller formats were just starting to hit the market. So much so Leitz did produce a 110 Slide projector with a choice of colorplan and a non-colorplan lens. Its not unreasonable that they would have marketed a camera in a format they had a slide projector for. Fine grain film wouldn't have helped - the problem with 110 cameras was the plastic cassette containing the film which didn't provide any facility for a proper pressure plate to keep film flat or at the correct distance from the lens. Results from even expensive 110 cameras such as the Pentax 110 Reflex (which boasted interchangeable lenses) were dire. The Minox system is completely different and much better designed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted November 4, 2006 Share #32 Posted November 4, 2006 Hi Larry, my understanding from Puts is that they are in fact zoom lenses, but with a mechanism to select the three focal lengths in the range. Which suggests that someone armed with both the TE and their shiny new M8 will post examples of photos they claim were taken with odd TE settings. More power to them; I sold my TE to assemble enough cash to buy the M8 so I won't be the one to experiment. Whatever floats your boat, man. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaeoboy Posted November 5, 2006 Share #33 Posted November 5, 2006 "Fine grain film wouldn't have helped - the problem with 110 cameras was the plastic cassette containing the film which didn't provide any facility for a proper pressure plate to keep film flat or at the correct distance from the lens. Results from even expensive 110 cameras such as the Pentax 110 Reflex (which boasted interchangeable lenses) were dire. The Minox system is completely different and much better designed." Its true that the Minox was better designed than a regular 110 but that doesnt negate the point that the interest in tiny subminature cameras in a variety of different designs from sprouting during this time as a result of Minox and Minolta 16 models. As far as the pressure plate issue goes, the back of the cartridge serves as the pressure plate and pressed flat from the front buy the cameras internals. Being smaller too it didnt curl as much as 35mm. Certainly in cheap plastic models this may have been a problem but the camera you sited the Pentax 110 was an example that could produce quite good results from such a tiny format. I have a few K64 110 Slides taken with a Pentax 110, I could dig them up if you wanted and post them in the mail so you could take a look (if you can send them back eventually!) You would be surprised how good the results are especially when projected through the Leitz 50mm f2.5 Colorplan on their 110 projector. Grain was the most detrimental factor in use with this camera certainly not film curvature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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