kenneth Posted February 9, 2009 Share #1 Posted February 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This film looks very interesting and I wondered if anyone had tried it. Adox say- ADOX® CMS 20 No other film is sharper, no other film is more finegrained, no other film resolves more lines per mm (up to 800 l /mm). If used in pictorial photography the film achieves 20 ASA of usable speed in ADOTECH developer. If used for high contrast purposes the usable speed increases to 80 ASA. If developed in non dedicated low contrast developers (HC 110, cafenol etc) it can be exposed at 6-12 ASA. The film achieves grain free enlargements of up to 2,5 meters diagonally It would seem to have the properties that would enhance the performance of my Summicron optics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 9, 2009 Posted February 9, 2009 Hi kenneth, Take a look here Adox CMX 20 Film?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andybarton Posted February 9, 2009 Share #2 Posted February 9, 2009 I love the idea of a 2.5m enlargement from a negative 36x24mm. Really going to show up any failings in your lenses... M8 eat your heart out I'd like to try some for myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted February 9, 2009 I love the idea of a 2.5m enlargement from a negative 36x24mm. Really going to show up any failings in your lenses... M8 eat your heart out I'd like to try some for myself. Interestingly, a chap on the Film and darkroom forum reckons the the properties of Summicron lenses are not as good as Zeiss lenses. Is this heresy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted February 9, 2009 Share #4 Posted February 9, 2009 So what is it all about? Oh yes, the sharpest crap. People should learn to live with their inferior Summicrons and learn how to take PICTURES instead of thinking they can only live happy, when they earn better lenses than the old masters used Pardon, what was the question? ADOX? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted February 10, 2009 So what is it all about? Oh yes, the sharpest crap. People should learn to live with their inferior Summicrons and learn how to take PICTURES instead of thinking they can only live happy, when they earn better lenses than the old masters used Pardon, what was the question? ADOX? I totally agree. I just find people who make comments like I mentioned tedious. I would not swap my Summicrons for anything but I would not mind adding something earlier and collapsable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw_ Posted February 10, 2009 Share #6 Posted February 10, 2009 Sharpness and resolution aside, I find the tonality with this film jaw-droppingly subtle and rich. I have been pleased with a number of prints I have made using adox cms 20. My only caution in using this film is to remember two things: shoot it as wide open as you can; and take care to deal with its curliness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christer Posted February 10, 2009 Share #7 Posted February 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't. If you can't get good results with Deltas and TMaxes, then you won't get it with CMX 20. If you order CMX, don't forget to get a very sturdy tripod at the same time. And get half a dozen films, you probably need at least five to fine tune your exposure and development procedures. You may need to relearn how to invert the tank.... Oh yes, I forgot focusing procedures (thin layer film + low ei =? large aperture >> critical focusing for extremely large prints). Still, I have had a lot of fun with these films. But pictures? Nothing to write home about. Except that they have no grain and sometimes look a bit strange due to the color sensitivity being different from what we are accustomed to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted February 10, 2009 If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't. If you can't get good results with Deltas and TMaxes, then you won't get it with CMX 20. If you order CMX, don't forget to get a very sturdy tripod at the same time. And get half a dozen films, you probably need at least five to fine tune your exposure and development procedures. You may need to relearn how to invert the tank.... Oh yes, I forgot focusing procedures (thin layer film + low ei =? large aperture >> critical focusing for extremely large prints). Still, I have had a lot of fun with these films. But pictures? Nothing to write home about. Except that they have no grain and sometimes look a bit strange due to the color sensitivity being different from what we are accustomed to. I have just read Erwin Puts on the subject and it makes interesting reading Modern slow speed films I might well give it a try but first I am getting used to home processing again after a 25 year lay off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted February 10, 2009 Share #9 Posted February 10, 2009 Adox CMS 20 is an outstanding film all the way! I have lots of problems with regular films getting that pop out of them. Tri-X and the likes are great films but sometimes I want the pop, an extra feeling. And it prints beautifully! I'm always impressed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sepiareverb Posted February 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted February 10, 2009 That last one is excellent Ned. This film doesn't tolerate underexposure or under development- I'd bracket the first roll to be sure you're getting everything that first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted February 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted February 10, 2009 Thanks Bob! I prefer the heart shaped ice and water shot... But all the shots gained a new dimension and appeal because of the film itself (IMO). I don't give a damn about exposure and development time. I tried a roll exposed at ISO 6 when I first got the films. Supposedly the film needs to be overexposed for better control. I found out this isn't true. I even shot the film exposed at ISO 100 with good results. I develop for 10 minutes and even stand development for 1 hour with HC110 dilution H and all my results we're fine. We have to note I am not anal. I go with the flow, I accept what comes out, and until now I have never been disapointed by this film. Ah yes, as you already know, all shot with the legendary summarit 5cm f1.5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw_ Posted February 11, 2009 Share #13 Posted February 11, 2009 Adox CMS 20 is an outstanding film all the way! I have lots of problems with regular films getting that pop out of them. Tri-X and the likes are great films but sometimes I want the pop, an extra feeling. And it prints beautifully! I'm always impressed! Nice shots, Ned! Here are a couple I took using this film: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted February 11, 2009 Share #14 Posted February 11, 2009 Thanks! I see you got good shadow detail in the first pic. How did you develop? I like your seocnd shot best, and it would look even better printed. I remmeber having the same haloes when I scan the negative directly (which I assume is what you did here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted February 11, 2009 Your comments so far convince me that this film is very impressive in tonal qualities. It certainly cannot be mistaken for digital it has that true film look to it. As I mentioned previously I am returning to wet processing after a long lay off using Kodachrome II where everything is done at the point of taking so as I have bought in stocks of Ilford film and Multi-grade developer I propose to shoot some Pan F Plus which at 50 asa will allow me to experiments with low f numbers. I will let you know how it goes in the mean time any thoughts on Pan F Plus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 11, 2009 Share #16 Posted February 11, 2009 Pan F+ is a lovely film. I have a load in the freezer waiting for better weather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted February 12, 2009 Share #17 Posted February 12, 2009 Nice looking film, I have about 50 rolls in my freezer at -25 C for when I am done shooting Kodachrome in a few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaoptik Posted February 12, 2009 Share #18 Posted February 12, 2009 This film looks very interesting and I wondered if anyone had tried it. Adox say- ADOX® CMS 20 No other film is sharper, no other film is more finegrained, no other film resolves more lines per mm (up to 800 l /mm). If used in pictorial photography the film achieves 20 ASA of usable speed in ADOTECH developer. If used for high contrast purposes the usable speed increases to 80 ASA. If developed in non dedicated low contrast developers (HC 110, cafenol etc) it can be exposed at 6-12 ASA. The film achieves grain free enlargements of up to 2,5 meters diagonally It would seem to have the properties that would enhance the performance of my Summicron optics Hi, where can I buy the Adox CMS 20 in Germany?At Fotoimpex it is not listed! Greetings, Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share #19 Posted February 12, 2009 Pan F+ is a lovely film. I have a load in the freezer waiting for better weather. Andy- What developer do you use with Pan F plus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 12, 2009 Share #20 Posted February 12, 2009 I have been using DDX for a few years, but Paterson's FX39 used to be great for fine grained films in my experience be nice to get hold of some of that again This is what makes using film a great experience - the sheer variety of choice. IMHO, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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