Overgaard Posted November 13, 2008 Share #21 Posted November 13, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) A small Leica doctor in white coat and heavy black framed glasses will come running and scratch your leg when the motive is focus ;-) No, it's true with the green dot. I hadn't noticed, actually, but I ssomehow knew the focus had been obtained even I didn't realize it was the green dot. The camera, by the way, does all sorts of funny things that you will appreciate. Even show a short preview of the shot on the screen right after the snap (unless you turn it off). I disliked that fist, but it's acutuallty well thought out because at least in the beginning you will want to check if you got it and how it looks. I also believe that one can feel the small machine parts and noises inside the camera after a while and be guided by them. The trick is when you zoom in; to know what's in the frame of the viewfinder. There's a 28mm mark and a 80mm mark. I saw it yesterday at a photographers event where the D-Lux 4 with viewfinder stood next to M8.2 with 21/1.4 and 24/1.4 and the white and black C-Lux. The D-Lux 4 was the one that took the most interest and photographers picking it up. I have a hard time resisting the urge to have one, and even I doubt it will be a "camera for life" I have no doubt that it will make one a happy snapper and proud owner for the first many weeks of playful photographing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Thawley Posted November 13, 2008 Share #22 Posted November 13, 2008 A small Leica doctor in white coat and heavy black framed glasses will come running and scratch your leg when the motive is focus ;-) THAT is EXACTLY what I was opening for. LOL And for that, my friend, I will pull you a delicious shot of Illy dark roast espresso from my perfectly tuned Livia Pasquini espresso maker, server in non-other than official Illy cups. However, you'll need to make your way to Florida. Knowing your love of coffee, I'll expect you soon. LOL JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 13, 2008 Share #23 Posted November 13, 2008 The trick is when you zoom in; to know what's in the frame of the viewfinder. There's a 28mm mark and a 80mm mark. I assume you mean 24mm and 60mm markings? The range of the DLux4 lens is 24-60mm (in 35mm terms). I hadn't realized there would be VF markings for 60mm --- that's thoughtful. Speculation was that there were only 24mm framelines. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted November 14, 2008 Share #24 Posted November 14, 2008 John, Thanks. I have a friend in Florida who've offered me a guest room twice now - and I feel we'll soon have to visit LA and the US (video and stills team). So stock up some coffee just in case. I like coffee but try to stay out of the fine tuning. It's not that expensive but it's just the whole area of knowledge you get into. Here's from my Leica neighbor friend down the road, the other weekend when some coffee-forum-friends met in real life ;-) The BIG discovery that day (four hours of hard work) was adjusting the coffee mill to a tiny finer grain. Like going from a Canon to a Leica lens, you know... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=714944'>More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted November 14, 2008 Share #25 Posted November 14, 2008 Miami91, You're right, 60mm sounds correct. Couldn't remember if it was 90mm or 80mm. Just knew it wasn't 100mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbet Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share #26 Posted November 14, 2008 I hadn't realized there would be VF markings for 60mm --- that's thoughtful. Speculation was that there were only 24mm framelines. Are you guys referring to the Leica viewfinder? 'cause the Panasonic only has 24mm markings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 14, 2008 Share #27 Posted November 14, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Are you guys referring to the Leica viewfinder? 'cause the Panasonic only has 24mm markings. Thorsten is saying he looked through one and it had double framelines. I haven't seen one in person... Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted November 14, 2008 Share #28 Posted November 14, 2008 Alan, the original images look grey on the monitor I am currently using (an old 17" Samsung), but they are vibrant on the other monitor I have (a newer 19" LG, using the supposedly superior panel). Your tweaks look just right on this Samsung, but a little too much on the LG. Both are calibrated with an Eye-One. Bu thanks for the quick histogram lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted November 14, 2008 Share #29 Posted November 14, 2008 It's really stupid Leica hasn't posted a look through the viewfinder because I had expected the viewfinder to have digits or something inside, based on some of the descriptions I saw in the beginning. Now it just states that the viewfinder doesn't require electrical power. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 14, 2008 Share #30 Posted November 14, 2008 Alan, the original images look grey on the monitor I am currently using (an old 17" Samsung), but they are vibrant on the other monitor I have (a newer 19" LG, using the supposedly superior panel). Your tweaks look just right on this Samsung, but a little too much on the LG. Both are calibrated with an Eye-One. Bu thanks for the quick histogram lesson. I won't post any more as I don't want to be beating a dead horse or appear obsessed. I really was just trying to do a demonstration. Deciding what "looks best" is a personal decision. I guess what struck me was the assumption that the Leica camera was special because it generally produced less saturated images than the Panasonic produces. I can't say if this is true one way or the other but it seemed to me from the posted images that a contributing factor was that the images were underexposed and thus had a pretty low white point. (I'm sure the Leica is a good camera.) Some of the images only used about 210-220 of the 256 tones available. Not that one always needs to use all of the tones, but it does explain why I felt the images looked flat and this is confirmed by the histogram. For the record I use an NEC 2690 Spectraview that gets calibrated via an Eye1 using the internal adjustments - bypassing the graphics board. I am set at 2.2 gamma, 6500K, 120 cd per square meter. Visual observation gave me my initial reaction that I then confirmed via the histogram. Again, I want to make it clear that if you like the images looking a specific way, that is fine with me, but is no way to judge the characteristics of a camera (Especially if it is set for 1/3 under exposure to begin with.) Here are a couple of histograms from DPP and DXO. (Don't judge the color saturation as they are ADOBE 98 screen captures, so they'll look flat.) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/68217-i-gave-in/?do=findComment&comment=715748'>More sharing options...
herbet Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share #31 Posted November 14, 2008 I guess what struck me was the assumption that the Leica camera was special because it generally produced less saturated images than the Panasonic produces. Omigod, I never said Leica is better because it produces less saturated images. I'm pretty savy to know that saturation can be played with. what I said is that this camera, out of the box, produces images with the look I like. the tone separation is extremely good and in some ways the image resembles what I get out of my D700. If you browse through flickr you will see that colors (especially greens) out of the LX3 are so saturated that you loose tonal separation. Leica's approach allows for post processing the way you like. If you like over contrasty and bursting saturation, you can easily do that. I like having the option. BTW, I did mention you can tweak the Panasonic. There are countless threads on dpreview on how to do that. In any case, the images I posted look perfect on my monitors which are calibrated using the Coloreyes software. I don't know, maybe they are off and I need to revisit that. that does not detract from the fact that I have perfect files out of the camera to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnguyen Posted November 15, 2008 Share #32 Posted November 15, 2008 I too bought the Dlux 4 and like it very much so far. The clarity of the images is every bit as good or better than the Dlux 3. I'll keep my Dlux3 for the longer reach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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