diogenis Posted October 29, 2008 Share #1 Posted October 29, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Following is a photo processed through C1 and Aperture 2. I don't know what to say about aperture, I don't know how they do it, or if I am doing anything wrong, but the result is unacceptable. The morning sun is what is shown I believe in the railings and as it reflects it creates these colored flaring effects in the railings. Afaik there was no substance sitting there, so result from capture is exactly how it should have been. But look how Aperture processed it...!!! And not only this. photo in aperture is as if it is oof particularly if you look at the rocks... So... what is this? Maybe a LUT problem? Any hints? I don't need aperture at all actually, but I want it just to use that damn good tool, Viveza.. but not like this... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/66885-capture1-aperture-dng-process/?do=findComment&comment=699303'>More sharing options...
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ndjambrose Posted October 29, 2008 Share #2 Posted October 29, 2008 My guess is you've almost certainly done something wrong. I've processed thousands of pictures through Aperture and have never seen anything except perfect results - generally better in my opinion than C1 Pro. But it's hard for anyone to advise you how to proceed without knowing what you did in processing, or how you exported it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 29, 2008 Share #3 Posted October 29, 2008 Hi , de difference I am noticing between both in my processing's , is far less than that , I only find very little differences in color but not in definition and distortion I would say . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 29, 2008 Share #4 Posted October 29, 2008 might sound stupid , but if that is the result of processing straight with M8 profile , and doing nothing else the same file from camera , I would unistall an reinstall it right from beginning , even iphoto does better than that . Im sure something is wrong there. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted October 29, 2008 Neal, I'm going to look again for errors, but I havent done any kind of processing in both DNG files. I just opened them, and they show the same both in iphoto AND aperture. The C1 looks a lot better by default. But I will look again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share #6 Posted October 29, 2008 might sound stupid , but if that is the result of processing straight with M8 profile , and doing nothing else the same file from camera , I would unistall an reinstall it right from beginning , even iphoto does better than that . Im sure something is wrong there. James Aperture is on a trial basis. And iphoto shows the same results. Aperture allows you to choose how to process DNG files, but I haven't done anything yet. I will look again first thing tomorrow morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted October 29, 2008 Share #7 Posted October 29, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) What you're seeing here is quite common with Aperture 2.0 and the M8 files. The Moire seems to have become more pronounced since ver 2 of Aperture. The only thing I can suggest is you try the various decode versions under RAW Fine Tuning. V 1.0 seems to eliminate the Moire quite easily, but my own preference is to use 2.0DNG and switch off hue boost, sharpening, edges, auto noise compensation as my default raw decode and aggressively apply the moire & radius sliders as needed. I often find the visual moire on screen is far less noticeable in the print, if at all. Specular highlights will always appear coloured within Aperture, not much you can do about that, until Apple re-write the decode engine. In the mean time, for difficult images C1 v4 seems to be the best tool to fall back on when Aperture can't eliminate the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share #8 Posted October 30, 2008 I was afraid about that myself too, eoin. I will try and seek a better approximation of the result, but as it is its simply unacceptable... I don't care about using Aperture: C1 does the job splendid, plus its free for use from Leica too -it comes with the camera- but I want the plugins that come with it. Anyway I will try to locate the problem by "massaging" the picture as Dr. K would say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share #9 Posted October 30, 2008 Update: Here is same photo cropped and processed under RAW 1 finetune, which I dunno what that means: more accurate results, still out of reach when compared to C1. So C1 clearly sets the benchmark at least for M8, unless again I am doing something wrong or forget to look to something Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/66885-capture1-aperture-dng-process/?do=findComment&comment=699977'>More sharing options...
archi4 Posted October 30, 2008 Share #10 Posted October 30, 2008 I am unable to find the differences you have experienced. I have just developed various M8 files in Adobe CS4 ACR, Capture One both 4 and latest 3.7 PRO, and Aperture for comparison. There are differences in color, especially skin tones, green foliage and sky blue when using standard profiles but the differences in image quality are negligible at 100% - only very slight differences in sharpening caused by the different sharpening defaults. Because the problem also occurs in iphoto, maybe there is something wrong in OSX. Maurice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted October 30, 2008 Share #11 Posted October 30, 2008 No you didn't forget to do something, but while you are comparing images taken through these two raw processors with no user adjustments applied, you are not comparing apples with apples. Capture one and Aperture apply standard adjustments to the image, the point is you need to bring your own adjustments to the image to take it to a point where you are satisfied. Then and only then is it fair to compare the output of one processor to the other. You may find you'll need more adjustments in say Aperture to come close to the starting point of C1, Aperture tends to be a little lower in contrast, definition, sharpening and colour than C1 defaults. At the end of the day it's all about your own workflow methods, what you find acceptable and in which application you most comfortable. I've always said the output of C1 v4 (or v3) is the best in the business but I just can't get into their work flow or methodology and this is where I find Aperture a whole environment within which I have everything I need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share #12 Posted October 30, 2008 Archi, the differences shown here are all crops @ 100%. Of course there is nothing wrong with OSX, it's just an operating system. The problem has to do with how you define your baseline for neutral processing from there on, and how all this output in photo paper. Apparently as it seems, people from Leica has sat down with people from phase one and proofed all this loop from taking the picture to printing it, and they named the whole thing C1 light and given free with every M8. I don't know what these small details mean to the output, but I do know that we are processing our photos using only the monitor as an instrument. Therefore that instrument should have to be adjusted with a noticeable accuracy. Once oyu have accomplished this accuracy you can do anything you like or otherwise "massage" your photos... Eoin, yes i finally managed to replicate the same output from Aperture using DNG1 as a processor, and some sharpening with some radius. How much of these or how little needs a lot of proofing in the final printing which I have yet to do, but once I find it I can incorporate it with EVERY photo I process with Aperture. Iphoto stands no chance because from what I see from my monitor, its baseline is way off what I see with the benchmark that is C1 so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted October 30, 2008 Share #13 Posted October 30, 2008 Diogenis, I recommend (my personal preference) the 2.0DNG engine for Aperture and adjust the boost to 0.85. Set sharpening and edges to 0 and set the sharpening and edge sharpening later in the work flow with the dedicated bricks. Adjust the Moire and Radius sliders to eliminate the moire and save that as your Moire removal preset. I would also save a preset like this but with Moire and radius set to 0 and if you like it as a starting point for images that don't suffer from Moire and set it as the camera default. Then any M8 images imported from that point on will use this new preset. Then it's only a matter of going to the cog wheel with a troublesome image and select the moire removal preset for that image. The 1.0, 1.5 & 2.0 engine used the raw.plist as a lookup table for colour matrix values for the files, but.... 2.0DNG is supposed to pull the matrix values directly from the info embedded in DNG it's self, ie the code Leica imbed in the file not Apples version of it. There are subtle differences and i prefer the 2.0DNG rendering. But that's just my personal preference, YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share #14 Posted October 30, 2008 Will try first thing tomorrow morning and report. Thanks for your recommendations Eoin. You've been more than helpfull.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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