jamesmd Posted October 22, 2008 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all . I use aperture , but it seams like not much of you do. Its a hobby for me , but I was wondering if I should use LR . From which do you think you can get the best out of M8 , or is it just a question of liking one or the other . Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pleeson Posted October 22, 2008 Share #2 Posted October 22, 2008 I like and use Aperture 2; am also an amateur. I've never used the layers, digital manipulation, etc of Photoshop. I just crop, adjust levels, sharpen, and fix a few spots now and then. If I were a big PS user, I'd consider LR, but Aperture does all I need to do. To be honest, with recent improvements in iPhoto, if I didn't already have Aperture, I'd likely not buy it now; even it seems like overkill.. I find it easy to make a fairly simple process rather complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted October 22, 2008 Share #3 Posted October 22, 2008 James, I think this choice is often centered on your hardware platform & what & how much you create images. If you are a casual shooter and use Apple hardware, Aperture could be a good mid-level solution. For 64 bit Windows users with high volumes, LR2 is far superior. LR is also a database and storage system in support of the large volume of both images and add important information & retrieval. The versatile initial editing tools are real time savers. One drawback is that the more you use it, the more you will become interested in improving your images and wanting to increase your facilities as an artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted October 22, 2008 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2008 I prefer Aperture to Lightroom, even though I've used Photoshop for over a decade now. It comes down to interface for me and Aperture wins out for that reason more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquinius Posted October 22, 2008 Share #5 Posted October 22, 2008 Ah, one of those debates ... nobody wins. My bit: download trials of both and try them out. See what you like best. I sometimes fall into this abysmal feeling as well: will it enhance my photo? Hmmm ... no. Marco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted October 22, 2008 Share #6 Posted October 22, 2008 I'm a heavy digital user processing about 3,000 images a month on a pro basis. I have iPhoto, Aperture, Lightroom, Bridge and Photoshop CS3. My preference for processing a single image is Photoshop by a country mile and if I was processing a hundred images a month that's all I'd need with Bridge for file management. The majority of my finished images go through Photoshop anyway and I create Actions for any repetitive task. If you've got Photoshop, don't underestimate the power of Bridge. Regarding Lightroom versus Aperture, It comes down to interface for me and Lightroom wins out for that reason more than anything else. In the last 6 weeks, I've given Aperture training sessions to 3 struggling Aperture users and, without any ulterior motive on my part, converted them to Lightroom because of the intuitive interface that they can get to grips with. Half a day is all that's needed to manage the programme with some skill. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted October 25, 2008 Share #7 Posted October 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) As a die hard Aperture user, the only advice I can give is download the LR2 trial and process some of your raw images through it. Only then can you make a judgement call on the basic question of the decode, colour, tones and most important for me skin tones. Much more power can be added to Aperture by use of Plugins such as Silver Efex Pro or Viveza, well worth checking out the demos and vids on use. They add a new dimension which negates the need to step outside Aperture. I do also keep a copy of CS3 as my export to external editor from within Aperture, but find my need for it's use practically nil at this stage. I will however concede the best decode engine in the business for M8 files is Capture One, love or hate it, it produces the best quality files from the DNG IMO. But it's not an application I can get comfortable with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose Posted October 25, 2008 Share #8 Posted October 25, 2008 For an workflow calm, without haste, I usually use Capture One in which attempt to fit all the possible one. I consider that adjustments before acquiring the image are superiors in quality to the later adjustments. These later adjustments I do with Aperture and his plugins (Dodge& Burn, Sharpener, Silver Efex Pro, and other collections). Aperture is a complete program that has a different interface to which we are customary. Once learned it is very comfortable. The secret of any program is to know it thorough and to handle it with agility… saludos, Jose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted October 25, 2008 Share #9 Posted October 25, 2008 i think it is a personal preference and how much you have worked that particular software. after some months using LR, i tried aperture and did like it a lot. now i use aperture since version 1.5. version 2.x appear to be fast, reliable and i like the interface a lot. as eoin suggests, some plugins are adding even more strenght. ciao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arif Posted October 26, 2008 Share #10 Posted October 26, 2008 I had been a die hard aperture fan till I ran into digital asset management issues where aperture would handle most pictures but some pictures with other working spaces (e.g. J. Holmes DCAM 3,4) were left out (unable to be read) and so I had to manage pictures and especially EXIF data in two separate systems so I am currently using Bridge/photoshop. This may not be an important issue but I am uploading to many sites and so want one system to manage everything. I am hoping future versions of Aperture will cover this and can also handle two way XMP data exchange with photoshop/bridge. Best wishes, Arif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share #11 Posted October 26, 2008 Hi all, sorry to be so late. I like de idea of importing in C1 and then go to aperture , at least have a try, but, whats the way to do it without losing anything in the journey . James Pd Thanks to all for coments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted October 27, 2008 Share #12 Posted October 27, 2008 If you are a casual shooter and use Apple hardware, Aperture could be a good mid-level solution. Probably the most ridiculous statement I think I've ever read on these forums. Mid-level solution? If you aren't on a Mac, you should be. If you are on a Mac, Aperture is by far the superior choice... and is the choice of most professionals. Now... let's use our heads. Adobe has been playing catch up since day one. More importantly, going forward, do you really think Adobe is going to develop Lightroom to the point of replacing or supplementing Photoshop sales? Apple is committed to developing Aperture as THE professional standard workflow solution for professional photographers... just as they have done with Final Cut Pro. Aperture will always be a Pro application. So... why should you start out on the right foot? Because with either of these programs, you are committing to a long term archiving and workflow solution. Change will never come as easily as it will today. The closer you start to the ground floor of any new application, the easier it will be to grow with that application. If you're on a Mac, stick with Apple pro-apps. It's a no-brainer... really. JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share #13 Posted October 27, 2008 Hi , I think so too. Also Great plugins a released for aperture now to , that means something . What settings do you use for RAW conversion for M , in general purposes ? James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share #14 Posted October 27, 2008 Hi , I think so too. Also Great plugins a released for aperture now to , that means something . What settings do you use for RAW conversion for M , in general purposes ? James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share #15 Posted October 27, 2008 For an workflow calm, without haste, I usually use Capture One in which attempt to fit all the possible one. I consider that adjustments before acquiring the image are superiors in quality to the later adjustments. These later adjustments I do with Aperture and his plugins (Dodge& Burn, Sharpener, Silver Efex Pro, and other collections). Aperture is a complete program that has a different interface to which we are customary. Once learned it is very comfortable. The secret of any program is to know it thorough and to handle it with agility… saludos, Jose. Hi , I do think C1 converts files better , I imagine Leica works directly whit them , no ? So Jose , what do you convert to in your work flow ? do you treat one by one or do you apply a batch to all and then tune in aperture ? Thanks James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted October 28, 2008 Share #16 Posted October 28, 2008 James, I have C1 4, Aperture, and Lightroom 2.1. I find the strength of Aperture for M8 files to be the immediate very correct rendition of skin tones without a lot of adjustments both caucasian and Indonesian (my grandchildren are half Indonesian!) Lightroom skin tones are too magenta and I have had to make profiles using the Adobe DNG profile editor. C1 4 M8 profiles are somewhat too yellow and cyan. These differences are minimal but apparent. My monitor and printer profiles are made using X-Rite i1 Photo so monitor and printer are well calibrated. So I am positive about Aperture, rarely use Capture One except for comparison purposes but I print using Lightroom because I find its print module extremely flexible and good. Maurice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share #17 Posted October 28, 2008 Hi archi4 , I just tried C1 with some shots from a park , and there was a great difference . in Ap everything was yellowy wile C1 was the proper green . I have my monitors calibrated and printer , printer is a hard world for me , more or less. If, you dont mind could I ask you some questions as you know aperture well ? What should I use 2.00 or 2 DNG for raw conversion ? in the print pop up, I have selected the printers profile for the paper I use , normaly epson stylus photo R 285 ( not great but enough for me at the moment) and gloss paper. in the printer setup I have no color management, (I supose its the propper for the profile to work on its own ) I have de black point correction checked , and gamma plus 1.3 I know it depends of the hole system , but does it sound ok ? As I say , Its my great black hole , or at least the biggest . Thanks before hand James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted October 29, 2008 Share #18 Posted October 29, 2008 James, Do you have a UV/IR filter on the lens on the M8. If not greens outdoors will be too yellow. In Aperture I use 2.00. The few times I have used Aperture to print, I set it up as you have but with gamma at 1.00. The best check is that the print should be extremely close to what you see on screen, also in Black and White. To achieve that, I had to calibrate my iMac monitor with a lower brightness of 80 cd/m2. Maurice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmd Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted October 29, 2008 yes I have the filter. it happens with blues to . perhaps I'm changing something else without knowing as I haven't really studied C1 , just did it for first time . The truth is I was very happy with aperture and till I tried C1 perhaps its just paranoia . Fine then , because prints are very close . in C1 I find I have to reduce exposure to - 0,3 Ev in comparison to aperture. Is there any setting where you decide when to clip on aperture ? ( I don't have it with me now and can't check ) thanks for your help James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted October 29, 2008 Share #20 Posted October 29, 2008 Setting for clipping is under Aperture\ preferences. Clipping indecation on and off is under View (there is a key shortcut indicated there) Maurice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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