MPJMP Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share #121 Posted October 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) But O my, the M9 as an additional camera sure seems appealing. I just wonder if I'd use the MP much if I got the M9...and this question is VERY troubling. I'm right there with you. In my mind, the M9 is a much more attractive digital package than the M8/8.2 and is the first real competition to a film M. I would never get rid of my MP, but I fear it might get jealous if there was something like an M9 hanging around. Luckily, I can't afford one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest finofoto Posted October 29, 2009 Share #122 Posted October 29, 2009 hello, dk_samurai ("Hello to Germany I have also considered the M6 (& M7)...") actually there is no substiantial difference between M 6 and M 6 ttl except the ttl metering (not important9 and the bigger dial for speed and its direction (parallel to the indication in the finder; in the m 6 finder the led`s are opposite to the direction of the wheel). i also tried the MP for months and found out, that for me it is simple over estimated by the collector-type of leica-photographer: the small speed dial (in the same manner of function like the m 6) is a regression towards sentimental feeling, it has nothing to do with efficient handling. so now i am happy to own 2 fine m 6 tt, euipped with the ,58 wide angle finder, where the use of an additional ugly and bulky finder for my s-lux 21 is not necessecary .. with a small eyecup of 1,25 (offered by many chinese manufactureres as well as by Leica) i can transform the ,58 into a ,72 standard magnification for extra accuracy: very flexible, i think.. excuse my unperfect english, but i hope i could make clear my pov.. tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted October 29, 2009 Share #123 Posted October 29, 2009 Interesting question from the processing guy as I was dropping off my film this evening. "Does that camera take good pictures?", pointing at my M7. A difficult question to answer because in truth I think it is the 35-lux-asph I use which creates the image, the M7 itself is a fairly basic beast (although I do think the metering is very good). So, thinking about it: what is the most important link in the chain: the lens, the camera or the film? LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 29, 2009 Share #124 Posted October 29, 2009 So, thinking about it: what is the most important link in the chain: the lens, the camera or the film? LouisB Louis, in my humble opinion, none of the above, it's the photographer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted October 29, 2009 Share #125 Posted October 29, 2009 Louis, in my humble opinion, none of the above, it's the photographer! James, you are of course absolutely right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finofoto Posted October 29, 2009 Share #126 Posted October 29, 2009 Zitat: So, thinking about it: what is the most important link in the chain: the lens, the camera or the film? LouisB Louis, in my humble opinion, none of the above, it's the photographer! ...what, if it would be the COMBINATION of all 4 factors? "the whole amount of it is more than it`s pure sum" .. or similar, according to another wise man... tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted October 29, 2009 Share #127 Posted October 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Zitat:So, thinking about it: what is the most important link in the chain: the lens, the camera or the film? LouisB Louis, in my humble opinion, none of the above, it's the photographer! ...what, if it would be the COMBINATION of all 4 factors? "the whole amount of it is more than it`s pure sum" .. or similar, according to another wise man... tom Finofoto, that is quite an interesting combination of kit... you clearly love film and extreme lenses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted October 29, 2009 Share #128 Posted October 29, 2009 the small speed dial (in the same manner of function like the m 6) is a regression towards sentimental feeling, it has nothing to do with efficient handling.tom Well that's quite strange because the small speed dial is a key feature to the efficient handling of the MP as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps you just never understood how to take advantage of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marban Posted October 30, 2009 Share #129 Posted October 30, 2009 instead of replacing my m8.2 with the m9 i got myself a nice m7 kit & a coolscan 5000 today. let's see how it goes. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/65765-anyone-gone-film-lets-hear-your-story/?do=findComment&comment=1095889'>More sharing options...
MPJMP Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share #130 Posted October 30, 2009 instead of replacing my m8.2 with the m9 i got myself a nice m7 kit & a coolscan 5000 today. let's see how it goes. M9 or M7 - either way you now have a "full frame" M! Was that an a la carte order or a special run? The black and silver combo seems to be calling out for some B&W film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marban Posted October 30, 2009 Share #131 Posted October 30, 2009 Was that an a la carte order or a special run? it's a early pre-owned à la carte with an MP finder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dk_samurai Posted October 30, 2009 Share #132 Posted October 30, 2009 hello, dk_samurai ("Hello to Germany I have also considered the M6 (& M7)...") actually there is no substiantial difference between M 6 and M 6 ttl except the ttl metering (not important9 and the bigger dial for speed and its direction (parallel to the indication in the finder; in the m 6 finder the led`s are opposite to the direction of the wheel). i also tried the MP for months and found out, that for me it is simple over estimated by the collector-type of leica-photographer: the small speed dial (in the same manner of function like the m 6) is a regression towards sentimental feeling, it has nothing to do with efficient handling. so now i am happy to own 2 fine m 6 tt, euipped with the ,58 wide angle finder, where the use of an additional ugly and bulky finder for my s-lux 21 is not necessecary .. with a small eyecup of 1,25 (offered by many chinese manufactureres as well as by Leica) i can transform the ,58 into a ,72 standard magnification for extra accuracy: very flexible, i think.. excuse my unperfect english, but i hope i could make clear my pov.. tom Hallo Tom, No need to excuse at all! I understand what you mean, but I will have to do much research about the M6 vs. MP before I make my final decision. I'm wondering though, you're saying that on your 0.58 M6 an external viewfinder is not necessary for a 21mm lens? Surely you don't mean that you have 21mm frame-lines inside your viewfinder? Also agree that if I were to use some longer lenses, I can add the 1.25x magnifier to the set-up! Very nice indeed! Best regards, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPJMP Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share #133 Posted October 30, 2009 Hallo Tom, No need to excuse at all! I understand what you mean, but I will have to do much research about the M6 vs. MP before I make my final decision. I'm wondering though, you're saying that on your 0.58 M6 an external viewfinder is not necessary for a 21mm lens? Surely you don't mean that you have 21mm frame-lines inside your viewfinder? Also agree that if I were to use some longer lenses, I can add the 1.25x magnifier to the set-up! Very nice indeed! Best regards, David David, I've owned the M6, M6TTL and now the MP. They are all excellent. Can't go wrong with any of them. The "right way/wrong way/large/small" shutter dial is a non-issue in my opinion. Very easy to adapt to either. For me (and many others, obviously), the preference for the MP is more about feel than anything else. It just feels good in your hands. Like precision machinery. It somehow feels more luxurious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted October 31, 2009 Share #134 Posted October 31, 2009 photography is my hobby, and what i love doing. not my work. i started off when i was 15 or so with my dad's nikon fm2, then i bought a fm3a. then i made a switch to digital with a nikon d70s. which i still use now. i shot everything with the digital, the i bought my m6 in 200. WOW!! film is awesome. it's normal when you don't have digital to compare it with, then when you look at digital for 100% of the time for a few years, then you get back to film and with a leica. it's just SSOO MUCH better. shoot 74% digital now and the rest in film. i'm buying a nikon d90. but film will always be with me. it's just so nice, especially with a leica lens wide open. film has a charm that i believe digital will never achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finofoto Posted October 31, 2009 Share #135 Posted October 31, 2009 ..hello, David ..at first i compared the outer zone of the finder itself with the framelines of the additional finder and then and now i simply estimate the view with intuition: left and right in the corners of the finder ... because i work rather fast, it is not so important to getb the 100% correct "crop" of reality... (it is substantially a genuin problem of the rangefinder, that is per se isnt as accurate as a SLR finder..). the samre i did with the ,72 finder, but the ,58 gives another perspective. and when i take the 50 mm, i sometimes put the 1,25 third party loup on.. this attitude is necessecary also becuas ethe "bulky" 1,4 21 protrude in the finder massively (about a 4th or 3rd), so that you never catch the right corner of the image..;-(( ;-)) regards, tom QUOTE=dk_samurai;1099522]Hallo Tom, No need to excuse at all! I understand what you mean, but I will have to do much research about the M6 vs. MP before I make my final decision. I'm wondering though, you're saying that on your 0.58 M6 an external viewfinder is not necessary for a 21mm lens? Surely you don't mean that you have 21mm frame-lines inside your viewfinder? Also agree that if I were to use some longer lenses, I can add the 1.25x magnifier to the set-up! Very nice indeed! Best regards, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finofoto Posted October 31, 2009 Share #136 Posted October 31, 2009 ..hello, i owned 2 MP ,72, and after trying the ttl`s with the bigger dial, i suggested to sell them: for me the MP is a simple M 6 with brass, black paint and some better wheels inside; the most important advantage with it was the finder - but that was only the re-discovering of some construction etails, which were lost in the 80ies or so, when the finder was made a bit cheaper (look at erwin puts - i think- report an different finder principles..) perhaps i pesronally dont like the more fiddly and notchy operation..in the wrong direction.. the bigger wheel also works with another gear-element, so it principally has another "leverage" inside.. all a matter of subjective perspective, isnt it.. i juastw anted to amke a statement versus the MP hype, which for me is a collectors item: the old Leica iulness... regards, tom Well that's quite strange because the small speed dial is a key feature to the efficient handling of the MP as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps you just never understood how to take advantage of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finofoto Posted October 31, 2009 Share #137 Posted October 31, 2009 hello, perhaps i am influenced by the film maker Antonioni for example, who very often open wide perspective and puts it into contrast with some more close up like shots... some time ago i also used Hasselblad xpan, but the "speed" of the lenses was much too low for avail. light... (starting with 4,0) regards, tom Finofoto, that is quite an interesting combination of kit... you clearly love film and extreme lenses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted November 1, 2009 Share #138 Posted November 1, 2009 Yes, after a few years in digital (D200 M8 D3 5D2) I've gone back to film (MP 35mm Summicron). I found myself missing film and unwilling to stay on the digital merry-go-round. I'm just finishing scanning my first roll of Fujicolor Neopan 400CN and from the results I've seen so far, I'm very pleased. The MP now has a roll of Fujicolor Pro 400H loaded with around 6 frames left to take. I'll try Fuji's Pro 800z and a few other films and then stick with a couple of favourites. My workflow is scan (Minolta 5400), Photoshop to remove any dust spots etc. then into Aperture to add Metadata and catalogue. Although I will test some colour neg film my current essay is in Black & White so I process in Silver Effex Pro - usually giving the photograph a Tri-X look and tweaking with a few control points. The resultant Tiff is saved in Aperture and stacked with the original. This way I can see which I like best, the Tri-x or original film as scanned. I save my files (original and Silver Effex Tiff) in folder Film - Sub-folder Oct09 Nov09 etc. and use Aperture's Collections tool to build my essay. I back-up, of course: and I have the original negs! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 1, 2009 Share #139 Posted November 1, 2009 Why not use Tri-X, rather than using software to make 400CN look like Tri-X? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted November 1, 2009 Share #140 Posted November 1, 2009 Why not use Tri-X, rather than using software to make 400CN look like Tri-X? Good point Andy. I can get C41 film processed locally in 1 hour. Plus, if I use colour neg, I always have the ability to produce colour or black & white work as I choose. I wanted to try 400CN as it is advertised as having very wide latitude: being able to produce good quality negs at speeds from ISO 200 to 800 and this seems to be the case. The grain looks good and I may well prefer it to Tri-X in time. One of the benefits of film is the range of films available: one can choose the look required. I agree that getting it right in-camera is preferable to relying on software. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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