adan Posted September 23, 2008 Share #21 Posted September 23, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Reverse Halo effect? I suddenly feel a whole lot MORE enthused about my M8 and mix of lenses (from 1968-2007) than I did before (which is hard to imagine) - because of a camera which has nothing to do with them in terms of concept, market position, reputation, history or anything else. If Ms. Harberts is going to be at PMA next years I'm gonna have to get there somehow, just to shake her hand. Leica glass is Leica glass. I've seen lenswork from the Fujiblad and the Mamiyas over the years - competent, clean - but not the same "look" as Leica (or Zeiss for that matter). Just different choices made in balancing the aberrations and picking the glass types. For those who like what Leica does when bending light - and who need to shoot larger than 35mm - it'll be a pretty short walk to the S2 counter. Photojournalists? Naw - at least not the newspaper types. Not even on their radar. They don't even get full-frame Canons. Nat Geo might buy a couple for loan-out on the right assignments or studio work. Magnum might buy a couple for members to use on the commercial jobs that pay for the photojournalism habit. As mentioned, magazine types of the fashion/design/interiors type could use it (but that's not photojournalism, even if it is published). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Hi adan, Take a look here S2 - Here we are. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mhoutman Posted September 23, 2008 Share #22 Posted September 23, 2008 very nice indeed to see that there so many new innovations......but isn't it time for a CL-like system positioned under the m-system ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 23, 2008 Share #23 Posted September 23, 2008 Yes it is. But S2 looks breathtaking -- as will be the price. A superb achievement. Hervoragend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 23, 2008 Share #24 Posted September 23, 2008 I keep seeing references to the "CL" as a beneficial idea. As someone who lived through the real "CL" era - it practically KILLED Leica! Internal competition for the M4 was disastrous - it ate away far more sales of the "good" stuff than it returned by bringing in new users. The only thing that saved the M from the CL was a desperation play of moving production to Canada to lower "M" costs - and killing the CL as quickly as possible. A "CM" P&S, maybe - it's called the D-Lux III. Maybe a lower-price body directly and totally in the M line ("M2", not "CL") would be worthwhile. Maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 23, 2008 Share #25 Posted September 23, 2008 D-Lux 3 is a good idea but too complex and too large. D-Lux 2 looked better. A more compact, minimalist version with manual controls -- great! Leica core products now? 1) Leica S2 2) Leica M8.2 3) Leica MP 4) Leica M8? 5) New compact Leica to replace D-Lux 3. 6) Optics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 23, 2008 Share #26 Posted September 23, 2008 Notwithstanding for the moment questions concerning the business case, target market, competitors plans etc, etc (for some, their glass will always be half empty;) )...... Surely now is a time for congratulating Leica on a bold, audacious plan that at, a stroke, moves them firmly back into the photographic limelight whilst providing technology to underpin their future products.....R10, M9 et al. They may take their time following the road less travelled, but they get there in the end. Bravo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted September 23, 2008 Share #27 Posted September 23, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just impressive.Leica is doing what other did not dare to do. Build a new camera/lens system for digital requirements only - .... I think Olympus and Panasonic would argue that their 4/3rd cameras are just that. Nevertheless this is very interesting news. Leica always made out that they were the über 35mm camera supplier, and digital has freed them to prove it. Twice as fast as a Hassy still isnt that fast, but with slr handling and some thought to weater protection it really does seem to be in a unique position. I assume it will be better developed than the M8 by mid next year, I wonder how the development costs to date have been buried in the accounts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 23, 2008 Share #28 Posted September 23, 2008 I wonder how the development costs to date have been buried in the accounts? Given that it's a private company, we neither know nor need to care. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted September 23, 2008 Share #29 Posted September 23, 2008 Given that it's a private company, we neither know nor need to care. Regards, Bill its not private, just most of the shares are owned on behalf of 1 person, so accounts are published, which I've just noticed show a 46% hike in R&D expenditure in the last fiscal. If you dont care thats fair enough, I'm just curious to see how much development Leica are doing on products they call 'all their own', hopefully more than they did on the M8 (for their sake not mine, I'm not in the market for an S2). The other reason I like to know is a great dislike of badge engineering, ala Leica's compact cameras.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted September 23, 2008 Share #30 Posted September 23, 2008 More pictures of girls and less of male please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted September 23, 2008 Share #31 Posted September 23, 2008 A good day for R users and Leica. I love the courage of the S2! Also, thanks to the crew that gave us the feeds. Shine on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 23, 2008 Share #32 Posted September 23, 2008 {snipped} Leica core products now? 1) Leica S2 2) Leica M8.2 3) Leica MP 4) Leica M8? 5) New compact Leica to replace D-Lux 3. 6) Optics I think the core products are down to: 1) Leica S digital system 2) Leica M digital system 3) Leica R digital system 4) Leica projectors (they have to believe that's a complement to the S system...) That's it. The rest are peripheral or for cash-flow purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted September 23, 2008 Share #33 Posted September 23, 2008 D-Lux 3 is a good idea but too complex and too large. D-Lux 2 looked better. A more compact, minimalist version with manual controls -- great! 5) New compact Leica to replace D-Lux 3. Umm, not that it matters that much, but I have a feeling you meant the Digilux 3 and Digilux 2? Cos the D-Lux 3 and 2 are the same size; so is the new D-Lux 4. Adan was referring to the D-Lux III, the compact camera that is the equivalent of the Panasonic Lumix LX-2, which to me is nowhere close to being a CL replacement, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted September 23, 2008 Share #34 Posted September 23, 2008 the core products are down to: ... 4) Leica projectors & 5) Leica optics (binos etc.) 6) Leica cine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted September 23, 2008 Share #35 Posted September 23, 2008 & 6) Leica cine Wim Wenders? what is cine have to do with Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted September 23, 2008 Share #36 Posted September 23, 2008 Given that it's a private company, we neither know nor need to care. Regards, Bill Bill- I am with you on that one- but it is blooming clever marketing when one reads the outpouring of concern and passion that is expressed here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 23, 2008 Share #37 Posted September 23, 2008 Wim Wenders? what is cine have to do with Leica? They've just announced a video projector. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted September 23, 2008 Share #38 Posted September 23, 2008 They've just announced a video projector. Wow- hang on I'm running out of clean underwear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 23, 2008 Share #39 Posted September 23, 2008 "Word on the street" (AKA Yahoo MUGers discussion group) is that the S2's Euro price is 20,000.00, which comes to $29,586.981 American. Not too farfetched, given the prices of Hasselblad's top end digital MF cameras. I'll stick to my MP, thanks. In an official interview, Dr. Kaufmann said S2 body "will be priced between 10 and 20 KEuros... we hope to be able to keep it under 15KEuro..." : do not remember the site, but was a link posted in the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 24, 2008 Share #40 Posted September 24, 2008 Images I saw from the new projector were breathtaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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