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The file looks great to me.

Just for fun, converted to B&W with the new B/W-styler plugin, using "Tri-x" :)

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And here simulating APX 100 printed at a hard grade.

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No - Aperture still only supports the Digilux. I've ditched it now - given up waiting , and using C1 and Lightroom

 

Apple is reading the new OS X update (version 10.4.8). Perhaps this update includes support for DNG files and, particularly, for the DMR and M8 RAW files.

 

I would suggest Leica to contact Apple.

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The conversions are superb, but I don't like Capture One's workflow (import, process and save an edited superfat TIFF file besides the original RAW). One of the most important problems in my workflow is naming, archiving, searching and sorting photographs. Due to this, I would prefer a program like Aperture or Lightroom for processing RAWs (I prefer Aperture). It would be a great idea if Phase One develops an archiving application for Capture One.

 

Hi Ruben,

 

In case it's helpful, what I've used for the past few years (after trying many things) is a combination of Breezebrowser Pro and C1 Pro. Together, they give me a very clean workflow.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Thanks Sean. I use Macintosh and Breezebrowser Pro is a Windows program.

 

The big problem is the duplication of files: the original RAW and a file for each version obtained from it (for instance, a processed TIFF file in color, another in B&W...). Then, there is the problem of naming, sorting, grouping, searching... Aperture does all these things very well. However, it is not fast, the RAW conversion is good but lacks from important tools (curves), etc. The strengs are the interface and the great workflow. When you try it it is difficult to use other programs.

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The conversions are superb, but I don't like Capture One's workflow (import, process and save an edited superfat TIFF file besides the original RAW). One of the most important problems in my workflow is naming, archiving, searching and sorting photographs. Due to this, I would prefer a program like Aperture or Lightroom for processing RAWs (I prefer Aperture). It would be a great idea if Phase One develops an archiving application for Capture One.

 

I use CaptureOne in combination with iView Multimedia Pro. iView allows you to edit, sort, rename, and catalog your images in an efficient way. They have a 21 days trial which I recommend you try.

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Thanks Sean. I use Macintosh and Breezebrowser Pro is a Windows program.

 

The big problem is the duplication of files: the original RAW and a file for each version obtained from it (for instance, a processed TIFF file in color, another in B&W...). Then, there is the problem of naming, sorting, grouping, searching... Aperture does all these things very well. However, it is not fast, the RAW conversion is good but lacks from important tools (curves), etc. The strengs are the interface and the great workflow. When you try it it is difficult to use other programs.

 

 

Actually, I find Aperture incredibly fast when taking into account the entire workflow process. The ability to quickly make, adjust, and view side-by-side differ variants of a single image has been a major benefit for me. The tools lend themselves for easy access and speed. Additionally, I find that Aperture's tonal controls are much more intuitive and easier to work with than the curves approach, and allows me to work more in a Zone System frame of mind, which I prefer.

 

I look forward to the free update to 1.5 but hope Apple will get on the ball with manufacturers in supporting more cameras in their OS. Given Apple’s presence at Photokina, I wonder how many people stopped by their booth to voice this concern. Especially in regards to the DMR and M8. On the flip side I hope as many people went to the Leica booth and insisted that they do everything possible on their end to make this a reality.

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I use CaptureOne in combination with iView Multimedia Pro. iView allows you to edit, sort, rename, and catalog your images in an efficient way. They have a 21 days trial which I recommend you try.

 

Did iView start supporting the DMR DNG files. I tried it, but it could not create larger previews from the DMR files.

 

I am with Ruben on the duplicate file thing when using some programs like Capture One and Raw Shooter. I am hoping when Adobe gets it all together, Lightroom will save the changes into the DNG file and then just pass the file on to PhotoShop for editing. It currently has to make a tiff to hand off to Photoshop, but it does give you the option of just overwriting any existing tiffs of the same file so you don't end up with multiple huge tiffs of the same file on your drive.

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I'm really pleased the image of this lady has been published and it's interesting to see the difference that Capture One has compared to ACR. I assume Phase One have not only been involved with the PC-based RAW processor but the in-camera RAW converter as well. It's going to be interesting to see the JPEG quality because for at least some of us, good image quality right out of the camera is a bonus, even if you have the RAW to fall back on.

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Additionally, I find that Aperture's tonal controls are much more intuitive and easier to work with than the curves approach, and allows me to work more in a Zone System frame of mind, which I prefer.

 

Geoff, I also like Aperture.

 

Curves is interesting for redistributions of the tonal range. It is very powerful.

 

I prefer the Zone controls of LightZone (much more intuitive than curves): it is the best tool for Zone control based on the Zone System. I would like to see a tool like this in Aperture.

 

Levels controls are excellent for establishing the tonal range limits and for adjusting the position of the histogram.

 

Capture One is a great RAW reader, but that is only one part of the whole problem. I want an integrated tool.

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I assume Phase One have not only been involved with the PC-based RAW processor but the in-camera RAW converter as well.

 

Although it is possible, I highly doubt it. I'm assuming that the internal camera engine was developed by Leica or their partner. In other words, I would be VERY surprised if the in-camera JPG matched the CaptureOne output.

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Although it is possible, I highly doubt it. I'm assuming that the internal camera engine was developed by Leica or their partner. In other words, I would be VERY surprised if the in-camera JPG matched the CaptureOne output.

 

I wasn't suggesting for one minute that the JPG output would match the RAW output in quality terms, but since there are common elements to both, it would have made sense to get Phase One involved in the in-camera processing to make the JPGs as good as possible.

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Apple has just released the 10.4.8 update and Leica M8 files or DNG files are not supported.

 

I read in the Apple discussion forums that Aperture will import DNG files made by Adobe DNG convertor, if they are made with linear conversion turned off, and the original raw file is from a supported camera. Now the M8 isn't on the list of supported cameras, but since its raw files are already DNGs......is it just possible? Could anyone who has downloaded the 1.5 update today try it on the M8 DNG this thread is about and confirm or deny whether it will work, please? If it doesn't, how about running the DNG through Adobe DNG convertor and trying again (you can do this, I just did! The 10.1MB file becomes a 4.7MB file and opens as expected in Lightroom, but not in C1LE or PSCS) Unfortunately I don't have a copy of Aperture to try it all out with.

 

Chris

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Although it is possible, I highly doubt it. I'm assuming that the internal camera engine was developed by Leica or their partner. In other words, I would be VERY surprised if the in-camera JPG matched the CaptureOne output.

That is interesting, because I do assume that Leica and Jenoptik did both the processor and the JPEG engine to match the RAW file code and may have had help from Phase One.

While it is the usual scenario that JPEGs from RAW vs from the camera vary in quality, there are exceptions like the Oly E-1. I think it is always worth the time to find out and print the results to determine if the differences can be seen in your normal print size. Of course, if you print posters from every shot, do ignore my comments and stick to RAW:)

Bob

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Bob i would tend to doubt Phase One has anything to do with the devolopment of the M8 except to support it as a Raw conversion software. the firmware is from Jenoptik and leica and there processing for in camera jpegs will mostly be Jenoptik developed. This is manily what we are waiting on now in terms of firmware is they are fine tuning the in camera jpegs. i would imagine at this point the functions of the camera firmware are done. There will be a lot of first time digital users here that will only shoot jpegs until they at least learn the system and we may see some realize the benefit of Raw. folks mostly on this forum and others understand raw and it's benefits, there is a large population outside the forums that don't know this stuff YET. LOL

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Hi

 

when i switched to an all Mac workflow in 2004, I too looked for a replacement for BB Pro.

 

The answer came in the form of Photo Mechanic. It's not a raw converter but it enables one to preview and list raw files at a blistering pace (ala BB Pro), and u can hand off the conversion to an external program (eg C1). Blazing fast for JPGs too, plus IPTC support. Invaluable for photojournalists and users with huge volume of photos...

 

Welcome to Camera Bits, Inc.

 

trial version available too. It's universay binary so it should work very well on those new MacBooks.....

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