luigi bertolotti Posted July 25, 2008 Share #1 Posted July 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Seems the Mpixel frenzy is not on the way to stop.... I don't enter the issue, nor I am expert of what can be the professionals' needs... only say that 60,5 mpixel looks (to me) a sort of fantastic exaggeration : can some pro accustomed to MF/LF usage explain me how such a bunch of pixel can be really useful ? Just a curiosity, of course... the 10MP of my M8 are more than sufficient for me.... On July 14th 2008, Phase One announced the P 65+ digital back and camera system based on revolutionary Sensor+ technology. The P 65+ has the first true full frame capture chip offering 20% more coverage compared to existing 39 megapixel products or announced 50 megapixel products. The P 65+ offers full viewfinder coverage, 60.5 megapixels, 16 bit captures, 12.5 stops of dynamic range and a shooting speed of 1 frame per second. Additional details and sample backs will be available at the Photokina trade show in September. For more details, please see www.phaseone.com/P65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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delander † Posted July 25, 2008 Share #2 Posted July 25, 2008 Just imagine the cropping options that gives you. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted July 25, 2008 Share #3 Posted July 25, 2008 Seems the Mpixel frenzy is not on the way to stop.... I don't enter the issue, nor I am expert of what can be the professionals' needs... only say that 60,5 mpixel looks (to me) a sort of fantastic exaggeration : can some pro accustomed to MF/LF usage explain me how such a bunch of pixel can be really useful ? Just a curiosity, of course... the 10MP of my M8 are more than sufficient for me.... Actually it is 50 megapixels. A person who uses this is trying to get similar quality to what was produced with 4x5 or even 8x10. So typical use would be architecture, jewelry, food, other still lifes and products, along with reproducing paintings and other artwork. Any high end photography requiring large high quality displays would be a use. I have a Phase One scan back for my 4x5 and it shoots with similar resolution. Scan backs with this quality have been around for about 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckhorn_cortez Posted July 25, 2008 Share #4 Posted July 25, 2008 Actually it is 50 megapixels. No - actually the P65 back is 60.5 megapixels. Then sensor is 53.9mm x 40.4mm; the pixels are 6x6 microns; and the pixel matrix is 8984 x 6732. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted July 25, 2008 Share #5 Posted July 25, 2008 Actually it is 50 megapixels.. Sorry that's OLD news the 60.5 is real as well Phase One - Introduction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted July 25, 2008 Share #6 Posted July 25, 2008 Sorry that's OLD news the 60.5 is real as well Phase One - Introduction Yeah sorry, I was thinking of the Hassy back, posted hastily and had forgotten that the new Phase One back was higher. I only hope my message didn't cause Phase One to lose too many sales. I just got Phase One's email today, but didn't read it. In any case, my point stands. Some people need this or there wouldn't be a market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted July 25, 2008 Share #7 Posted July 25, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) . Some people need this or there wouldn't be a market. They hope there's a market If you read the responses from DB users they want better noise/higher ASA and more dynamic range as a top priority not more little diffraction limited pixels. The "full frame" whatever definition your maker chooses to use will be welcome for the wides but the 28mm 'blad lens hasn't got "full frame" (in this context) coverage. A potential warning to Leica not go down the cropped lens road perhaps ? The market is probably mainly rental for the guys who need it. I wonder if they get a cut of the memory market ? Just work out what a few layers in P'shop will add up too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted July 26, 2008 Share #8 Posted July 26, 2008 They hope there's a market ... I wonder if they get a cut of the memory market ? Just work out what a few layers in P'shop will add up too. I get calls on a regular basis from companies trying to sell me high end MF gear. They always admit to me that sales are slow going. As a person who once shot most jobs on 4x5 and MF, I am surprised that I now shoot on a 35mm format. But it works for me. I think a lot of other shooters found out the same thing. As for memory, at least computer memory and disk space has gotten very inexpensive. I often stitch images and have final photos that are 200-300 meg files. So of course they are huge when working layers and the computer bogs down. These new cameras will output between 150meg and 360meg tif files depending on model and color depth setting. (But why do you buy this to work in 8 bits?) That is kind of astounding. Consider if you have a 60 megapixel back and want double the resolution, that model will have to have 240 megapixels. And what lenses would be good enough? So I think there isn't much point in adding 10 or 20 additional megapixels at this stage. (Although progress comes in gradual steps.) This must be some kind of plateau unless there is a major breakthrough or they can make still larger sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 26, 2008 Author Share #9 Posted July 26, 2008 Another question to whoever is expert of high quality printing... such a pixel resolution allows to make (round) a 20"x30" print at 300 dpi with, let'say; "direct pixel print" : is this an advantage for a printmaker ? Does it allow to "spare" some phase of the print process ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted July 26, 2008 Share #10 Posted July 26, 2008 Actually it is 50 megapixels. A person who uses this is trying to get similar quality to what was produced with 4x5 or even 8x10. So typical use would be architecture, jewelry, food, other still lifes and products, along with reproducing paintings and other artwork. Any high end photography requiring large high quality displays would be a use. I have a Phase One scan back for my 4x5 and it shoots with similar resolution. Scan backs with this quality have been around for about 10 years. I believe it was the recently announced Hasselblad that was 50mpx, they also mentioned a 60+mpx development too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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