badpets Posted July 17, 2008 Author Share #21 Posted July 17, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) thanks for your input. however, i wanna say it doesn't make you any smarter to assume something is dumb just because you don't quite get it. i wanted a IIIf because i wanna use these old lenses that were designed before M existed. though adaptors are available making them to be used in M bodies, they are troublesome and pricey. besides, i somehow do believe camera also plays a role in images it captures other than lens and film. I must be misunderstanding what you mean, because the way I'm reading it, it's gotta be the dumbest statement I ever read on this forum, so please explain me where I'm reading it wrong. Of course I know you can't mean if you buy an IIIf everything'll be like 1950 when you walk outside. But I always thought that old-fashion look came from the lens or the film or both, so please explain me what it has to do with the camera body? I think maybe you forgot to put a preposition and a pro-noun in there. Like "for me" in between "difficult" and "to adjust" cause there are a lot of people for who it's a piece of cake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #22 Posted July 18, 2008 :) To me, since you already have an M body, it's time to experience the older Barnack-style body and the addictive LTM lenses. A IIIc is perfect for me because I don't need meter, I don't need to use flash, and the price is lower than IIIf and *way* lower than IIIg. For old-fashioned images, get a Summar lens, which is also fun to use in addition to giving you a unique look. Yes, you can use a Summar on your M8 using an adapter, but it won't be the same experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #23 Posted July 18, 2008 again, thank you all for ur comments. the clouds have been clearing up in my head. i'll search these you guys suggested. thanks everyone!!! :) :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #24 Posted July 18, 2008 this picture is amazing! when was it taken? Don't make the mistake of thinking a IIf camera will give you different images than another M camera.They will be the same. It is the lenses you use that can give you that older look you are after. For your reference here two images from a IIf and 3,5/50 Elmar...same day, same roll of film, but different post processing and light of course. The IIf is a wonderful camera, more manual than say an M6 but charming to use.I like it because of its size and the older lenses. regards andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #25 Posted July 18, 2008 but guys, think about it, does body really have nothing to contribute to the image results? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 18, 2008 Share #26 Posted July 18, 2008 but guys, think about it, does body really have nothing to contribute to the image results? Technically, not one jot or iota, provided it is working to specification. FWIW, since it sounds like this is a "heart" thought process rather than a "head" one that you are going through, I would also vote for a Barnack Leica. My photography took on a fresh lease of life when I adopted my IIIc because it was fun, challenging and different. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 18, 2008 Share #27 Posted July 18, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) i wanted a IIIf because i wanna use these old lenses that were designed before M existed. though adaptors are available making them to be used in M bodies, they are troublesome and pricey The adaptors are relatively cheap, £10-50 each depending if they're Leica or VC ones and where you buy from. Troublesome? how? Never had any issues with mine. Its just a simple bayonet fitting ring with a screw thread, couldn't be more basic. but guys, think about it, does body really have nothing to contribute to the image results? Yes and no. The body won't / can't make any difference to the final image, you'll get the same identical result with the same lens on a lllf or an M7 (assuming both working correctly etc). However I will agree that the camera does influence the way one works to a certain degree, i.e. faster, slower, discretely etc., which is why Leica's make such good street cameras. The camera also has to feel 'right' and that is entirely personal. Some cameras I've just not taken to and because I don't enjoy using them that may have an impact on the final results. I think you're mind is made up anyway. Get yourself a lllf (the lllc is also worth considering). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE Posted July 18, 2008 Share #28 Posted July 18, 2008 badpets, your first instinct, the IIIF--stick with it. Who cares if you can't use the M lenses. There are planty of screwmount lenses out there. I use a IIIF and love that it can fit into a pocket...great camera. You won't regret it. And about it not having a meter...you'll learn and experimenting is a huge part of the experience and fun. JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #29 Posted July 18, 2008 that's true. actually i'm getting even more excited now about getting a IIIF system for i also wanna put its vintage lenses on my M8 with a adaptor. i've seen the elmar 5cm/3.5; god it's thin as a piece of paper. that would probably make my M8 look like a toy camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #30 Posted July 18, 2008 cool. what lenses do you own? badpets, your first instinct, the IIIF--stick with it. Who cares if you can't use the M lenses. There are planty of screwmount lenses out there. I use a IIIF and love that it can fit into a pocket...great camera. You won't regret it. And about it not having a meter...you'll learn and experimenting is a huge part of the experience and fun. JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE Posted July 18, 2008 Share #31 Posted July 18, 2008 Lenses? I own only the lens that was attached to it when I found the camera in a box in my uncle's attic. A Summitar 50mm 1:2. I've posted a lot in the photo forum if you want to get a feel for its look. I'd love to get a 28mm but for now this lens is remarkable (and compact when collapsed in the camera). I have no complaints, not even regarding loading the camera--I've never had to cut the leader like so many claim is ABSOLUTELY necessary. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #32 Posted July 18, 2008 Sure I wanna see. Do you have direct link to the posts? Lenses? I own only the lens that was attached to it when I found the camera in a box in my uncle's attic. A Summitar 50mm 1:2. I've posted a lot in the photo forum if you want to get a feel for its look. I'd love to get a 28mm but for now this lens is remarkable (and compact when collapsed in the camera). I have no complaints, not even regarding loading the camera--I've never had to cut the leader like so many claim is ABSOLUTELY necessary. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #33 Posted July 18, 2008 never mind, i found them. they are great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bli0 Posted July 18, 2008 Share #34 Posted July 18, 2008 there are a few ways that different body can have a somewhat small impacts on the image when using the same lens: - if you have a body that doesn't keep the film appropriately flat - issue with the film pressure plate, film allowed to become overly slack, etc. - a rangefinder ill-adjusted - a lens adapter that does not allow the LTM lens to sit exactly as it's supposed to in a M body. - a different weight/size body causing the photographer to weild it slightly differently. i find i hold my IIIf r/d differently than my M6 or M8 which each have a Luigi case w/ grip. for some, it might not be as steady. - shutter speeds out of adjustment. slight over exposure could potentially happen. in any event, it's really the lenses and the photographer. if you want to pick up a IIIf - go for it. you will be happy. if you choose to pick up a M film body, you'll also be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw_ Posted July 18, 2008 Share #35 Posted July 18, 2008 I have a M2, M3, MP and a IIIf. I use only a LTM 50 on my IIIf, as I despise external VFs. Again, the collapsible Elmar, Summar, Summitar or Summicron if in good condition can render some wonderful images. But why go into a LTM/screwmount body when you already have a M-lens system? You can always use a LTM lens on a M; yet there is no way to put a M lens on a barnack LTM-body. Therefore I highly back the idea to get a M2 for about 600-700 USD and get it CLA'd. Using a M2 you may need to use an external meter -- but you may need one with a barnack, too -- though this is hardly a hassle. With a small Gossen Digisix or Sekonic light meter, you will not miss many exposures, even with Kodachrome slides. I urge you to consider the M2 over the M6; there is a reason most folks find the M2/3s so smooooth to use. Find out for yourself;) Respectfully, my 2p cdn., Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted July 18, 2008 Share #36 Posted July 18, 2008 u meant Leica IIIf has no meter?? oh no... I have a Classic M6 and M7 but I shoot my materless M3 the most. I meter with a Sekonic L-578DR. -Ron ________________ Caveman's Gallery Neolithic Artistry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted July 18, 2008 Share #37 Posted July 18, 2008 this picture is amazing! when was it taken? Badpets, Both pictures were taken last week in Spain.I had the camera for about 3 weeks (a IIf),and decided only to take this camera and the one lens with me.I do also shoot with M cameras but the IIf is my latest purchase, bought on a whim. I am having a lot of fun with it as it is so basic and small, you really can take it everywhere.I use a Weston lightmeter for metering. The camera needed a CLA after buying it and I also had the shutter replaced...it is now as smooth as a new camera. Hope you decide for the right one for you, there is a lot of good input in this thread to help you decide (even though I think you already have;) ) Regards Andy p.s here another shot from the camera Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/57997-want-to-shoot-film/?do=findComment&comment=607249'>More sharing options...
Guest maddoc2003jp Posted July 18, 2008 Share #38 Posted July 18, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the "M6 Classic" the M6 minus the meter? The M6 without meter is the M4-P. M6 "classic" is the original M6 with 0.72x VF and without TTL flash-metering. The M6TTL (with flash-metering) was available with 0.58x, 0.72x (standard), and 0.85x VF. All M6 are very suitable for the job, taking photos. The M4-P is more puristic (no electronics at all) but has all the 6 frame-lines and - as in the later models - a motor or rapid-winder can be attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badpets Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share #39 Posted July 18, 2008 scenery in your photos are like paintings. simply beautiful. thank you for sharing. yes, i've learnt so much in this thread. you guys are really warm and helpful. i appreciate every single comment here. Badpets, Both pictures were taken last week in Spain.I had the camera for about 3 weeks (a IIf),and decided only to take this camera and the one lens with me.I do also shoot with M cameras but the IIf is my latest purchase, bought on a whim. I am having a lot of fun with it as it is so basic and small, you really can take it everywhere.I use a Weston lightmeter for metering. The camera needed a CLA after buying it and I also had the shutter replaced...it is now as smooth as a new camera. Hope you decide for the right one for you, there is a lot of good input in this thread to help you decide (even though I think you already have;) ) Regards Andy p.s here another shot from the camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 18, 2008 Share #40 Posted July 18, 2008 In case you haven't already found it, this thread on LTM's is worth checking out; http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/13842-ltm-users-its-time-stand-up.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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