elansprint72 Posted May 11, 2008 Share #1 Posted May 11, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here you see the 40GBP "leather" case for my C-Lux2 after the first use of the belt loop! Examination with a powerful eye-glass (non-Leica) shows that the piece of "leather" which has failed in service is, in fact, some sort of plastic-faced woven fabric material. Two issues here- firstly to describe an item as leather when it is not is, as I understand it, a breach of The Sale of Goods (Implied Terms) Act and and secondly for the item to fail in service at its first usage indicates the goods not to be of "merchantable quality". If this thing had cost a fiver, I would have thought "oh bugger" but for forty quid I would expect it to outlast the camera. Watch this space. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/52800-traditional-leica-quality/?do=findComment&comment=556065'>More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted May 11, 2008 Share #2 Posted May 11, 2008 Hum...disturbing... is it really publicized as a "genuine leather" item ? None uf us expect the incredible quality of some old Leitz leather cases (I have an old '30s case for Leica SM with lenses and accessories... don't dare to think how much should it cost today...). Maybe the "main" case is true leather... the belt loop is not... typical trick to say "half-truths", nowadays... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_peter_m Posted May 11, 2008 Share #3 Posted May 11, 2008 I think Luigi nailed it, as long as a certain percentage is real leather it can be sold as "genuine leather". Bought some nice leather chairs a few years back, same thing he top part is leather and the rest synthetic. It sure is tough to tell the difference as long as they are new. They are getting pretty good at making fake leather. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted May 11, 2008 Share #4 Posted May 11, 2008 Here you see the 40GBP "leather" case for my C-Lux2 after the first use of the belt loop! Examination with a powerful eye-glass (non-Leica) shows that the piece of "leather" which has failed in service is, in fact, some sort of plastic-faced woven fabric material. Two issues here- firstly to describe an item as leather when it is not is, as I understand it, a breach of The Sale of Goods (Implied Terms) Act and and secondly for the item to fail in service at its first usage indicates the goods not to be of "merchantable quality". If this thing had cost a fiver, I would have thought "oh bugger" but for forty quid I would expect it to outlast the camera. Watch this space. For leather cases i advise Hermés or Louis Vuitton, Leica is only good in cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 11, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted May 11, 2008 For leather cases i advise Hermés or Louis Vuitton, Leica is only good in cameras Having read the litany of complaints about the cameras over the last several years on this forum, I had hoped that they could at least get the cases right. I find some bitter irony in your Ruskin quotation, to me, his most faithful disciple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted May 11, 2008 Share #6 Posted May 11, 2008 For leather cases i advise Hermés or Louis Vuitton, Leica is only good in cameras ...may be stretching it a bit there these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capelini Posted May 12, 2008 Share #7 Posted May 12, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here you see the 40GBP "leather" case for my C-Lux2 after the first use of the belt loop! Examination with a powerful eye-glass (non-Leica) shows that the piece of "leather" which has failed in service is, in fact, some sort of plastic-faced woven fabric material. Two issues here- firstly to describe an item as leather when it is not is, as I understand it, a breach of The Sale of Goods (Implied Terms) Act and and secondly for the item to fail in service at its first usage indicates the goods not to be of "merchantable quality". If this thing had cost a fiver, I would have thought "oh bugger" but for forty quid I would expect it to outlast the camera. Watch this space. The leather case of my M7 broken twice and until now I didn't have any word from Leica! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Edwards Posted May 12, 2008 Share #8 Posted May 12, 2008 ...fwiw, this is the same 'leatherette' material that is used for the d-lux3 case, which also has a non-usable belt loop...closer inspection of the d-lux3 case reveals that the only part of the case that may in fact be real leather is the lens housing section... ...imho, the only leica leather products that are acceptable are the m a la carte products, the cm/cm zoom cases, and the sport optics trinovid/ultravid cases ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted May 12, 2008 Share #9 Posted May 12, 2008 Having read the litany of complaints about the cameras over the last several years on this forum, I had hoped that they could at least get ...something... right. Pete you are a card. You expect way too much:D :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted May 12, 2008 Share #10 Posted May 12, 2008 Wowwww...hang on a minute. Forty pom pounds!? Eighty three bucks??? You need knitting needles stuffed in your ears. Serves you right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted May 12, 2008 Share #11 Posted May 12, 2008 ...imho, the only leica leather products that are acceptable are the m a la carte products, the cm/cm zoom cases, and the sport optics trinovid/ultravid cases ... Oh I don't know - the black leather cylindrical lens cases (which bear the usual "Echtes Leder" logo) are rather nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Edwards Posted May 12, 2008 Share #12 Posted May 12, 2008 Oh I don't know - the black leather cylindrical lens cases (which bear the usual "Echtes Leder" logo) are rather nice. ...yes, you are correct...and, to this neophyte, the leather used on the 'echtes leder' lens case is the same as the leather used on my trinovid 10x42 bino case... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted May 12, 2008 Share #13 Posted May 12, 2008 Pete ...........I still got a bit of imitation vinyl leather left over from the Gay Mardi Gras, a couple of scrape marks and a stud or two missing ......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share #14 Posted May 12, 2008 Pete ...........I still got a bit of imitation vinyl leather left over from the Gay Mardi Gras, a couple of scrape marks and a stud or two missing ......... Is it machine washable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share #15 Posted May 12, 2008 Just spoken with "my dealer" they said send it back to them and they will send it to Leica for repair or replacement. He was apologetic but declined to comment on why the most highly stressed part of the case was made from the weakest material, which IS NOT LEATHER. I wonder if there is an upgrade programme- will I perhaps get version 1.5 of the belt loop firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted May 13, 2008 Share #16 Posted May 13, 2008 May I ask why you are not contacting the manufacturer rather than carping on about it here. In my personal experience, if you want the best leather then go to an English hide manufacturer i.e. like the companies that build hard hide bound cases for fine English shotgun or a company like Mulberry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted May 13, 2008 Share #17 Posted May 13, 2008 May I ask why you are not contacting the manufacturer rather than carping on about it here. In my personal experience, if you want the best leather then go to an English hide manufacturer i.e. like the companies that build hard hide bound cases for fine English shotgun or a company like Mulberry May I suggest you check that you understand the meaning of the word "carping" before you use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted May 13, 2008 Share #18 Posted May 13, 2008 Keith My comment was not meant to be offensive. To my understanding I have always assumed the carping meant winging Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted May 14, 2008 I believe that you should more properly have said "harping on"; one can carp but one cannot carp on. Anyway, I'll harp and carp here if I want to, jeez, the amount of crap that has been spouted about real and imaginary problems with the M8 round these parts I would have thought that a moan about faulty "leather" would be seen as a bit of light relief. First time that I've come across someone from Yorkshire who was not meaning to be offensive too. Bloody tykes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted May 14, 2008 Share #20 Posted May 14, 2008 Peter There you go- generalizing again First time that I've come across someone from Yorkshire who was not meaning to be offensive too. Bloody tykes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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