Some News (or Rumor) About R10

[jlancasterd]

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They could always have a mirror that moved backwards as it flipped up.

 

Or they could use one of those pelicule (sp) mirors and do away with moving parts all together.

 

I'm making this up as I go along as you can probably tell.

 

Or a 2-part mirror flipping both up and down...

 

Reminds me of the 1960s Pentax instruction booklet with its admonition 'do not touch the flipping mirror...'

[sdai]

Who would pay 10,000 (€ or $) to get a 36x36 (?) digicam when we can have a full frame 24x36 for 4,000 or even 3,000 folks?

 

A brandnew Canon 5D can be had for 1750 CAD in Canada and roughly the same amount in the US.

[like_no_other]

Over in the Geman forum a user claimed this evening that Leica will not launch one new R camera but a series of several R cameras this photokina. The smallest of them being in the class of the Nikon D3/Canon 5DII, the largest will be far ahead of 1Ds series!

He recommended to another user who couldn't believe his dream to visit competent Leica dealers to get approval.

Further more he seems to be quite happy and confident that fomer Leica R users who did change their system to Nikon or Canon will stop laughing after having visited 'the competent Leica dealers'.

[andybarton]

What's the definition of a "competent Leica dealer"?

[Overgaard]

One who haven't signed a NDA ;-)

 

Anyway, all I ever got told from any Leica dealer was that a lot of new stuff will be coming at both Photokina and the smaller photo fair a month later. And in my ears it sounded as if the R stuff (being nything that could carry an R glass, a new Digilux 3 or an R10 or an SL10) would be later than Photokina.

 

My best guess at this stage is a relaunch of the SL along with a portable E6 color lab. We're a few who've been wishing for that for a long time - and perhaps now we'll finally get it!

 

Besides that, a series of R cameras ranging from 5D to Mark III and perhaps even Hasselblad would for sure ensure a lot of R glass sales all over the spectrum.

[andybarton]

 

My best guess at this stage is a relaunch of the SL along with a portable E6 color lab.

 

Now that would be news!

 

I'd buy.

[rick_dykstra]

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... former Leica R users who did change their system to Nikon or Canon will stop laughing ...

 

As an R system die-hard who's been waiting for many years, I sure hope Leica put a smile on my face. I might even laugh with joy.

 

And then perhaps frown if I have to choose between Digital Rs with different performance and price. What might the price difference be between a 14MP full frame and a 40MP 36 x36?

[Joecamera]

Have you ever spent any amount of time on e-Bay, looking at 200-400 various Leica r items for sale? And have you noticed that about a quarter of the items are "adapters" to mount wonderful Leica r lenses on Canon bodies? Can you imagine how pleased Canon Inc is over this? What a generous thing it was for the marketing division of Leica to do for Canon by not even dropping a hint of whats coming. That way, frustrated and discouraged Leica r lens owners will resort to any kind of digital body just to acquire the beautiful imagery begotten by Leica glass. I've never in my life seen such an act of kindness displayed by a corporation for it's competitor, to help them sell digital bodies. But I feel overwhelmed by guilt, and must admit my stupidity. I too, was taken in by possibly mounting my Leica glass on a Canon body, so I picked up an "adapter" and went to my familiar friend at a local camera shop and he allowed me to play with a used Canon 20D. But at the last minute I refused to go that route, I'll stay with film, and patiently wait for Photokina. I'm guessing it's the epitome of selfishness on my part to wish for at least a hint of what's to come, and can you think of how many poor, miserable, Chinese would be put out of work without all those Canon parts to make...... Oh Well......

[rosuna]

Who would pay 10,000 (€ or $) to get a 36x36 (?) digicam when we can have a full frame 24x36 for 4,000 or even 3,000 folks? There is no future for Leica if the R10 is significantly dearer than the (already expensive) M8 IMHO.

 

It depends on the features.

 

Hasselblad and Mamiya are hooked to the 645 format; Rollei, Sinar and Leaf to the 6x6 format. The cameras and lenses are huge.

 

The 1Ds Mark III costs 7,000 euros, and you can buy a 5D much cheaper. I think a Leica 36x36 camera (squared format, high image quality, modular design, small size compared to medium format) with a premium price is reasonable, depending on that "premium". Leica should understand that competition includes prices, in any case, besides features, brand, manufacture quality, service, etc. You cannot ask a 300% premium price over the best of the competition, even if your product is different, well designed and manufactured, etc. 10,000 euros is not so much at this moment, for a top-class, different product (it depends on many variables, but the number doesn't scare me). 20,000 euros is crazy even for a Hasselblad.

[sdai]

Nothing will happen, folks ... all these rumors you heard from dealers and elsewhere were originated from this forum.

 

First, they picked up the SL10 Doug fancied in his dreams ... geez, what about SL3, SL4 till SL9?

 

Then, there's the R-1D resembling a Canon ... I forgot to tell you it's a typo, the real name should be R-D1.

 

Folks, I'm serious ... if you have 10 thousand US dollars or Euros, God and your conscience tell you it should be spent to help those poor, miserable Chinese. LOL

[sdai]

To be EXTREMELY serious, I really wish what Mark has heard from the London dealer is true ... that sounds more reasonable than anything ever posted on this board.

[like_no_other]

"What's the definition of a "competent Leica dealer"?"

 

He didn't tell much more. The only hint he liked to give was that the competent dealers he was talking about are not! located in Germany. We should leave Germany to the east to find them. It's still open if he mean't eastern Euope or Asia.

[wildlightphoto]

First, they picked up the SL10 Doug fancied in his dreams ... geez, what about SL3, SL4 till SL9?

 

Dr. Kaufmann stated that the name of the next Leica reflex would include the number following 9, which I assume is 10. Simon please correct me if my assumption is incorrect.

[sdai]

Dr. Kaufmann stated that the name of the next Leica reflex would include the number following 9, which I assume is 10.

 

You've only got a number, Doug. Did Dr. Kaufmann tell you which letter they'll use to name the new model?

[wildlightphoto]

You've only got a number, Doug. Did Dr. Kaufmann tell you which letter they'll use to name the new model?

 

No but the number 10 rules out SL3, SL4 till SL9.

[rosuna]

Hasselblad is offering the H3DII-31 (including a 80mm lens) for 11,995 euros VAT included.

 

http://www.robisa.es/pdf/Oferta_Especial_H3DII.pdf

 

R.

[dominic]

According to the n° 2 of Leica France (read here JCB's message):summilux.net :: Voir le sujet - R10)

 

there will be only a "maquette" (= "model") shown at the 'kina.

[Jamie Roberts]

I posed as an interested DMR buyer at a London dealer on Saturday and, FWIW, they told me the R10 is coming at Photokina, manual focus, M8 price, backwards compatible with R lenses. After a slightly boozy lunch, I forgot to ask if full frame...

 

So if it's full frame, and manual focus, that's ok Maybe they have focus confirmation of some kind up their sleeve! Oh, and the M8 price would be sweet! I don't need it to be much more innovative than that feature-wise, but of course we'll need to see images

[rosuna]

So if it's full frame, and manual focus, that's ok Maybe they have focus confirmation of some kind up their sleeve!

 

That is OK for current R users, but not so OK for potential new users...

 

In my opinion, 24x36mm or 36x36mm modular camera would be a great idea (some kind of mini-Hasselblad or mini-Rollei)... but the price, backguard compatibility and price are very important...

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[hankg]

The M8 has the DRF market all to itself but the DSLR market has suddenly got some very attractive choices now. The new Sony's with Zeiss lenses and soon a full frame 20+ MP camera, the weatherproof, IS enabled Olympus E-3 with stunning made for digital Zuiko lenses, the new full frame Nikon D3 along with a very, very good Nikon wide zoom, the weatherproof, IS enabled Pentax relatively low cost offering with some interesting glass, no doubt the Canon 5D replacement will be raising the bar again, maybe Canon will sure up its wide lens offerings, etc.,.

 

With a 20+ MP full frame Sony rumored to be priced well below the Nikon D3 I wonder how Leica will be able to compete in that space on it's own? The M8 fell short in a lot of areas but it remains the only game in town. Leica won't have that luxury with the R10 in the DSLR space. Maybe the MF market where companies are all small boutique producers and prices are above even Leica pricing would be more hospitable for Leica but the bottom of that market is being threatened by new 1Ds III class DSLR's.

 

I remain skeptical. They will need some outside the box brilliant engineering to make a mark in today's DSLR market. I hope they pull it off. After years of dull as dishwater offerings totally dominated by Canon the DSLR space is looking fairly interesting now with camera's that have different characters. If Leica could add something that really adds value it would be an interesting camera indeed. It would be great to have Leica back as a more mainstream player.