albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Found this on photovillage's website... I think that the V-lux is going to be a Leica repackaged FZ-50 with more stylish curves??? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/5018-leica-v-lux-a-rebadged-panny-fz-50/?do=findComment&comment=47736'>More sharing options...
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J Mitchum Posted September 12, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 12, 2006 Most likely and unfortunate. Emphasis on features as opposed to image quality. Why can't they just stick a better sensor in the D2/LC1 and be done with it? Leica M8 Leica Digilux 3 <> Panasonic DMC-L1 Leica D-Lux 3 <> Panasonic DMC-LX2 Leica V-Lux <> Panasonic DMC-FZ50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 12, 2006 Share #3 Posted September 12, 2006 What a shocker!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted September 12, 2006 Share #4 Posted September 12, 2006 Based on discussions and reviews from other sites, Leica could offer some added value if they would tweak the firmware of this camera - to offer JPEGs with a user-selectable level of noise reduction which is less than the current Panasonic "Low" setting. It appears that less processing in-camera would allow better images after in-computer processing, and this approach reflects a more "serious" user perspective without going all the way to RAW files. Perhaps there are other settings which Leica could customize as well, to set this camera apart from the FZ50. So far, it doesn't seem that Leica has offered cameras with customized firmware vs. the Panasonic versions. However, it would make sense to do so - Leica already makes other choices in the DMR which reveal a different philosophy for digital inaging - like the choice to use little or no optical low-pass filtering in front of the sensor. As a marketing approach, it would also help differentiate the camera and provide some rebuttal to the argument that the Leica vs. Panasonic versions are only different in badging and in price. Equipping the camera with a different sensor is a much, much bigger deal and not likely ever to happen in a Panasonic-built Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 12, 2006 Share #5 Posted September 12, 2006 True but there is only so much you can do with processing when they've stuffed 10 megapixels into a 1/1.8" sensor. It seems we're getting two replacements for the Digilux 2, one above and one below, yet neither fills its shoes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share #6 Posted September 12, 2006 Well it looks scary but the FZ50 at Leica's prices could be a tough sell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wim Posted September 12, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Digilux 3 should have the best 2/3" sensor on the market (8 mp will do). The lens that was on the Digilux2 will do nicely, of course. The body could be more compact, the materials used a bit more rugged. But it seems we might have seen the last of the 2/3" sensored camera's... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share #8 Posted September 12, 2006 Digilux 3? Hmm... thought that wasn't out at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted September 12, 2006 Share #9 Posted September 12, 2006 The D3, the V-Lux, the D-Lux 2 and the C-Lux 2 will be important products for Leica. Not everyone will be able to afford an M8 and the corresponding lenses. Same with the R/DMR combo and lenses. The cameras produced by Leica/Panasonic partnership will allow those people to buy a Leica they can afford. Maybe one day those same people will be able to move up to an M is they so desire. I suspect that with Leica's commitment to digital imaging, you will see more of their influence in the Panasonic designs. The Leica products will be more expensive than the corresponding Panasonic produts, but not so much so that you will have to break the bank. I have a two year old D2 and the sensor went bad. Leica is repairing the camera at no charge because of the longer warranty period. I am looking forward to owning an M8 when it becomes available, but I am really happy that others, who are not the so called elite, will be able to buy a Leica as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share #10 Posted September 12, 2006 Any specs on the forthcoming D3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 12, 2006 Share #11 Posted September 12, 2006 Any specs on the forthcoming D3? The Digilux 3 is rumored to be a rebadged Panasonic L1. That's why I said it's like we're getting two replacements for the Digilux 2, one above (L1) and one below (FZ50) yet neither really filling the void. Predictions: Leica M8 Leica Digilux 3 <> Panasonic DMC-L1 Leica D-Lux 3 <> Panasonic DMC-LX2 Leica V-Lux <> Panasonic DMC-FZ50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 14, 2006 Share #12 Posted September 14, 2006 The Digilux 3 is rumored to be a rebadged Panasonic L1. That's why I said it's like we're getting two replacements for the Digilux 2, one above (L1) and one below (FZ50) yet neither really filling the void. Predictions: Leica M8 Leica Digilux 3 <> Panasonic DMC-L1 Leica D-Lux 3 <> Panasonic DMC-LX2 Leica V-Lux <> Panasonic DMC-FZ50 Wow. Dead on. So the Digilux 2 is the end of the line. Like I said, we're getting two replacements for the Digilux 2, one above (L1) and one below (FZ50) yet neither really filling the void. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted September 14, 2006 Share #13 Posted September 14, 2006 It appears from what has been said elsewhere that Leica have tweaked the image processing software - so hopefully.....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share #14 Posted September 14, 2006 What does tweaking actually mean? I think that it's an adjustment of the default settings most likely to fit Leica's percepts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted September 14, 2006 Share #15 Posted September 14, 2006 Re tweaking..... I quote from Sean's synopsis on the Digilux 3 (hope that it's ok to do so!):- "As with the D-Lux 3, Leica's version of this camera (as compared to the Panasonic) is claimed to use Leica's unique profiles for "color matching, contrast and picture definition". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share #16 Posted September 14, 2006 Is this done through the menus or an actual firmware change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 14, 2006 Share #17 Posted September 14, 2006 Re tweaking..... I quote from Sean's synopsis on the Digilux 3 (hope that it's ok to do so!):- "As with the D-Lux 3, Leica's version of this camera (as compared to the Panasonic) is claimed to use Leica's unique profiles for "color matching, contrast and picture definition". Where is Sean's synopsis on the Digilux 3? It's not on his website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
etanguero Posted September 14, 2006 Share #18 Posted September 14, 2006 As the M8 might be a 'happy day' producer for those who are willingly able to afford .... Most likely and unfortunate. Emphasis on features as opposed to image quality. Why can't they just stick a better sensor in the D2/LC1 and be done with it? True but there is only so much you can do with processing when they've stuffed 10 megapixels into a 1/1.8" sensor. It seems we're getting two replacements for the Digilux 2, one above and one below, yet neither fills its shoes. ... this is a very sad day for those who had hoped for a real Digilux 3 and not a Digiflex! Bigger sensor, bigger RAW buffer ... Digilux 3 would have been perfect in the body of the Digilux 2. Or: bigger sensor (4/3), bigger RAW buffer ... and interchangeable lenses of the 4/3-system. But no mirror! It appears from what has been said elsewhere that Leica have tweaked the image processing software - so hopefully.....? What too tweak: those who really want to take out the quality of the lens(es) only shoot in RAW!!! Therefore a bigger RAW-buffer would have done all the trick ... and more! At much lesser production costs! I could cry! Leica missed out the chance ... ... the chance for a great attack on the Sony R1! Only less noise and a (muc) bigger RAW buffer would have done the biggest part of the trick allready. In-body-antishake even more! Sad ... sad ... sad ... :( eT [hoping that someone will be so nice to give me a M8 as a present to overcome my frustration!] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
like_no_other Posted September 14, 2006 Share #19 Posted September 14, 2006 Re tweaking..... I quote from Sean's synopsis on the Digilux 3 (hope that it's ok to do so!):- "As with the D-Lux 3, Leica's version of this camera (as compared to the Panasonic) is claimed to use Leica's unique profiles for "color matching, contrast and picture definition". My very personal opinion to this is that Leica needs some marketing arguments to explain the higher prices compared to panasonic models. But I don't see that 'Leica profiles' could be better than 'Panasonic profiles' are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 14, 2006 Share #20 Posted September 14, 2006 Bigger sensor, bigger RAW buffer ... Digilux 3 would have been perfect in the body of the Digilux 2. Leica missed out the chance ... ... the chance for a great attack on the Sony R1! Only less noise and a (muc) bigger RAW buffer would have done the biggest part of the trick allready. In-body-antishake even more! Yeah, I'm really disappointed though I was expecting this. The Digilux 2 didn't even need that much. They had the body and lens down. A new sensor, not even necessarily a bigger one, could have improved noise levels add a bigger RAW buffer and maybe IS would have been more than enough. These companies just don't get it. They finally come out with something good and then abandon it. Sony is probably going to do the same with the R1. It's unlikely we will ever see a replacement for it now that they have an SLR even though it appeals to a different market enitirely. I was debating selling my LC1 for an R1 but now that I know Leica/Panasonic have no plans to truely replace it I have a hard time letting go. It's unique and as close as we're going to get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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