Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #241 Posted September 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) i just saw something that is NOT on the DMR a raw and a small jpeg, Now this could be great to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sean_reid Posted September 13, 2006 Share #242 Posted September 13, 2006 It's a dumb circular argument the guy uses--"Well, gosh, since others broke the embargo, I guess I'm free to do the same." And he's doing a first look anyway. Had only 40 minutes to play with it. Your piece will be read and considered long after his complaints of non-compliance are forgotten. Well, at least unless you trash this thing... --HC His argument is indeed nonsense. Most of our mothers taught us that we don't need to jump off a cliff just because the other kids are doing it. I try to never trash or idolize anything I review, best to just be straight with the pros and cons. My frustration with these writers is nothing compared with how angry Leica no doubt is about this. And I don't blame them at all, these new products were made by them with their own time, money, etc. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #243 Posted September 13, 2006 Look at the knob with four buttons. Very simple and direct. (From what I've been able to figure out, on the D200, you use one button to enlarge the first time, then have to switch to combination of buttons to continue enlarging.) Howard that is the same as the DMR. I will explain how it works there it should be relatively the same on the M. First after a image is taken on the preview you can turn the dial to zoom in and you can get in really close like this than the 4 turn buttons let's call them can go side to side and up and down. This can also be done after a shot is already on the card. say you shot three frames and wanted to go back to the first one. Than you hit the play button on the left. Than hit the left turn button and go back 3 to the first image you took and can repeat the zoom in and out process. This dial is also used inside the menu to scroll up and down than the turn keys to move to sub menu's than on the DMR there is a on/off key that you would hit to confirm on the M it will be that SET key i am beating. Now on the DMR the dial is used in connection with the second LCD and it's control wheel . I won't get into that long explaination for ISO,WB and stuff like that. The M will use the dial in the same way as a scroll but now you will I assume have to hit the menu and on the first page that data will be there and the keys to the left will actually set them. This one still needs to be explained in more detail when announced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 13, 2006 Share #244 Posted September 13, 2006 One thing we should remember in that article he said the firmware is not finished , which is very normal. So we may see some little changes in the production units. Yeah. Like being able to save the images, which thing he couldn't do with the unfinished firmware. Might be a good idea to get that part of the digital chain finished before first shipment. Or I guess we could just use it tethered. Except it will probably require a special cable that won't be shipping for two and a half years. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #245 Posted September 13, 2006 Sean Hopefully leica realizes also that folks know there is much more to the story than what has been said, but frankly i would be pissed also if I was them. Certainly can't blame the. But i will say this take these beta camera's out of the press hands to test them . Get real pro's and reviewers to work these camera and they would have much better control . This are reporters that could care less but if you put these in the hands of working pros and professional reviewers than this stuff just would not come out. If they want the press having them than hand out a hundred on Sept 15 and let them play. It called controlling the press. Pardon my spelling tonight just no energy to go back and fix stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 13, 2006 Share #246 Posted September 13, 2006 Original from ho_co:Look at the knob with four buttons. Very simple and direct. (From what I've been able to figure out, on the D200, you use one button to enlarge the first time, then have to switch to combination of buttons to continue enlarging.) Howard that is the same as the DMR. Understood, Guy. Sounds similar to Digilux 2, now that you describe it. And having the rotating ring plus the four buttons makes so much more sense than the D200. Sorry, I'm just going through this thing piece by piece and getting more and more excited by it. I've been trying to talk myself out of it, but I think that is now out of the question. It's best for us to get all this excitement out of the way now so when the serious reviews start appearing we'll be able to concentrate! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 13, 2006 Share #247 Posted September 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I try to never trash or idolize anything I review, best to just be straight with the pros and cons. I recognize that. And I doubt there's anything in the M8 that could reasonably be trashed anyway. Pros and cons it will have. Didn't mean any disrespect; that's why I placed the smiley there. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #248 Posted September 13, 2006 Yes i can't confirm exactly how the M will work but this seems to be the case from what we have seen so far. i know they will not change the function of the dial and arrows itself because i really think they want a continous look to botht the DMR and the M which makes perfect sense, guys like myself will have both . The key as i said earlier as to the difference is the Set key. The question remains if i hit the menu key like the DMR the menu comes up , not a second LCD window menu but the deeper one . need to describe that better . Hopefully folks understand stuff like working space , monitor review. not the needy i am going to shot stuff. Now the real question of the day since there is no second LCD to give us the ISO,WB, EV stuff what button do you hit to activate that . the menu key is taken so the only other key is the SET key to bring up that info and than use the 4 left keys and dial to work it. So that really is the question and difference from the DMR is that SET key and is it the one that brings up the first needed data to make a change to ISO. i did not see that anywhere but this is my educated guess and coming from the DMR makes the most sense guess again I am writing badly need some sleep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted September 13, 2006 Share #249 Posted September 13, 2006 Leica pissed? At what? A leak (or possibly "leak") that occurs three whole days prior to their product announcement? They should be, and probably are, down on their knees thanking whatever God that there remains a global audience deeply ravenous for their new products, no matter how outrageously expensive. The wild interest in this new camera should have them giggling like little girls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 13, 2006 Share #250 Posted September 13, 2006 [M]y article about Leica's new products will go up on 9-15 at 00:01 GMT. Great compromise, dropping EST and going to UT. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 13, 2006 Share #251 Posted September 13, 2006 I recognize that. And I doubt there's anything in the M8 that could reasonably be trashed anyway. Pros and cons it will have. Didn't mean any disrespect; that's why I placed the smiley there. --HC Oh, I know that. No offense taken. But sometimes writers do seem to have an agenda and I certainly try not to, as you know. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 13, 2006 Share #252 Posted September 13, 2006 Leica pissed? At what? A leak (or possibly "leak") that occurs three whole days prior to their product announcement? They should be, and probably are, down on their knees thanking whatever God that there remains a global audience deeply ravenous for their new products, no matter how outrageously expensive. The wild interest in this new camera should have them giggling like little girls. I'm afraid that I can't agree. The introduction of new products is a big deal and companies plan them carefully. Intense interest is good but this kind of paparazzi introduction is not. Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 13, 2006 Share #253 Posted September 13, 2006 Great compromise, dropping EST and going to UT. --HC Yes, it's the official world time and readers are located all over the world. Good on ya, S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 13, 2006 Share #254 Posted September 13, 2006 Now the real question of the day since there is no second LCD to give us the ISO,WB, EV stuff what button do you hit to activate that . the menu key is taken so the only other key is the SET key to bring up that info and than use the 4 left keys and dial to work it. So that really is the question and difference from the DMR is that SET key and is it the one that brings up the first needed data to make a change to ISO. i did not see that anywhere but this is my educated guess and coming from the DMR makes the most sense Good possibility. Or again, the reviewer says the control menus are on a black background, and the configuration menus are on a grey background. So maybe "Menu" button brings up a first level, from which one chooses left or right half, then presses "enter." In all likelihood, the ISO and WB will be the top items. In other words: Push "Menu." First item in left half of menu is ISO, then EV, then WB perhaps. Get to them by turning knob or pressing up/down buttons. Then press "Enter" to select. (Actually, when shooting Raw, WB isn't all that important, but it should be there for those who choose to shoot JPG.) OR--maybe like the joystick control of the DLux2 or the Function button of the Digilux 2--maybe pressing the center of the plate that holds the 4 arrow keys will bring up the WB and ISO settings? I haven't any idea how they've done it, but I'm fully convinced that it will be very quickly available in the menu, without having to dive in. I'm sure it will be top level. And we'll know in just about 43 hours. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 13, 2006 Share #255 Posted September 13, 2006 BTW, what you saw was not automatic ISO but AWB. I made the same mistake at first. For the rest, I'll wait & see but seems a nice camera to me. Not "perfect" of course but the M was never perfect, we just get used to its defaults and made them qualities (definition of love, maybe). My order stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted September 13, 2006 Share #256 Posted September 13, 2006 Thank you Sean. I've just had a good time at your journal. You do lead and help us to enjoy RF photography. It is very much appreciated, my friend. Cheers, Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 13, 2006 Share #257 Posted September 13, 2006 I'm afraid that I can't agree. The introduction of new products is a big deal and companies plan them carefully. Intense interest is good but this kind of paparazzi introduction is not. Sean I had to admit to feeling a twinge reading the "excuse" for the leak. The M8 is THE make or break product for Leica Camera. Nothing like focusing effort to get it right when your job is on the line. I realised that soon after the M8 was first announced and started selling infrequently used items to generate funds for purchase. They will have done their absolute best given the materials available. I just hope Leica will show their confidence in the future by providing if needed, timely firmware upgrades based on user input. The M8 is a product that has the ability to break the short term obsolescence model. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 13, 2006 Share #258 Posted September 13, 2006 Well, it looks look some people aren't respecting the September 15 publication date but I still plan to and so my article about Leica's new products will go up on 9-15 at 00:01 GMT. Cheers, Sean I'm looking forward to it - we can rely on Sean to have produced an authoritative review of Leica's new products which will answer all our questions. What we'll probably never know is what role Sean has played in the development/refinement process and how it has changed over the period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 13, 2006 Share #259 Posted September 13, 2006 My guess is that they now regret the Perpignan thing - very difficult to keep things under-wraps after something like that. The good news is that when Leica's official announcement comes, when Sean's and other's detailed reviews based on actuals come out, all the speculation and leaks will be worthless history. What I really hope is that Leica are building these things as fast as they can, just waiting for the Golden Firmware load. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 13, 2006 Share #260 Posted September 13, 2006 Well, the drive-by journalists can show us that the menu goes to ISO 2500 - but only Sean and the other folks who have worked with the camera for more than "40 minutes" can tell us whether that ISO 2500 is usable. And whether the ISO setting is fast enough in practice to keep Guy happy. And so on.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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