Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 12, 2006 Share #201 Posted September 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Still French but that''s okay i just looked at the menu items , looks very much like the DMR in many ways and looks like just a few adjustments for DMR users . Very nice indeed. Interesting on the Histo Image one there is shutter speed but not aperture shot at. It looks like it has User settings like the DMR which will be handy. ISO, WB and the one image he is shooting raw 10mp . This is looking like the little sister to the DMR. Dial wheel is exactly the same. Looks like that left rubber door is just a pull down to get to the fire wire . Not crazy where they put the protect but reality is the top three are really for playback and the info for shooting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Ross Posted September 12, 2006 Share #202 Posted September 12, 2006 Did not read it yet but this can be a deal breaker and it is not overblown at all . if you have to dig for EV than that slows you down. Missing a shot because of that is a deal breaker and the same for ISO. As long as it does not go past the first page than it should be fine. Look at a canon 1dsMKII you have to get 3 or 4 deep to get to mirror lockup. That is not good and this is aimed at journalist also and screwing around with menu's is bad. So if you think it is overblown that's fine but when your in the shit you don't need another headache. Hi Guy, I have been following the posts about EV adjustment via button & ring and remembered that if you shoot manual, the meter in the finder will show you your EV adj. as you change the shutter or aperture (the direct controls not found in the menus;) ). In aperture priority and with the spot meter (well, a big spot) you can just meter off of lighter or darker areas and get the EV adjustment that you want. This method take a half press on the shutter (also not found in the menus:p ) Another method in AP it to lock the exposure at 0 EV (half press again) and then change the aperture (the ringy thing on the lens).... This is in half-jest, but we do get so drawn into the modern DSLR mind set that we forget basic techniques are the simplest solutions. When I switch from a modern SLR/DSLR to my M5 or M6, I have to remember that I only have a spot meter and not the 367 zone matrix that does all the work for me. The spot meter in the M5 is about the size of the rangefinder patch (with a 50mm attached) and with the M6 it is about 2/3rds the frame 's vertcal height. The meter field changes with the lens's focal length, too. We'll have to wait to see what the meter field on the M8 is, but it looks smaller than the M6 to me. Folks getting into M class Leica photography from SLR/DSLRs will have a few new tricks to learn and new habits to form. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 12, 2006 Share #203 Posted September 12, 2006 Bob that is good that when on manual you will see that EV adjustment, more the A mode was the concern. i finally was able to read the whole article and it is looking very good so far and looks as simple as the DMR which i love for the simplicity , the N and C are just overrun with menu stuff. There is one area of concern that may be a issue without the rewind lever it maybe hard to hold , maybe a little bulit in grip section in front may have been a good idea. Overall it looks very wrokable for spped of use . This is going to sell like hot cakes. Wonder if you can get a rubber eye piece cup that comes out just a little further. my one issue is i am not very familar with the M, so my experience for all these years in digital has been the DSLR so meantally you think in those terms but it seems leica made this a simple task to get to the right info fast and that was what i was hoping. So friday we can just sleep in I guess. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 12, 2006 Share #204 Posted September 12, 2006 Looking at the white balance options: Auto, Tungsten, Fluorescent, Daylight, Flash and Cloudy there doesn't appear to be a Kelvin or Custom (use a white/gray card) setting. Can anyone tell me if the DMR provides these. For mixed lighting I'm always using a white card. The central tripod socket means grips like the Abrahamsson Rapidgrip won't fit. That was one of my concerns as soon as I knew there was no shutter cocking lever. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 12, 2006 Share #205 Posted September 12, 2006 Well since that cat is obviously out of the bag. The word is at 1600 ISO this thing still is extremely good and noise free. All other rumors i had are right there so that was the last one i had up my sleeve. Now i am starting to feel poor. This is just divorce stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 12, 2006 Share #206 Posted September 12, 2006 Ah, man, that's good. If the ISO and other adjustments are done the way I think they are, that's about as good as it could get, short of dedicated buttons. Look at the way people handle it: it's *really* M Leica-like. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 12, 2006 Share #207 Posted September 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes Bob we can do custom white card shot and also set at a certain kelvin temp. i am looking at the back of the DMR and it is almost the same the only difference that i see is the SET button. NoT counting the second LCD which for the M is now on the main LCD with that SET BUTTON is the key to the M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 12, 2006 Share #208 Posted September 12, 2006 Yes, the DMR offers custom WB and I think the M8 too. Reason is the bottom of the red rectangle is not visible on the WB menu so the custom WB must be off-screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 12, 2006 Share #209 Posted September 12, 2006 John looks very simple to get used too. Reason we shoot leica and the glass of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted September 12, 2006 Share #210 Posted September 12, 2006 i pretty much do what Bob said and it's easy as pie even in auto mode. you just meter smart for whatever you are going for, then a half press of the shutter locks the speed and a tweak of the aperture ring provides the compensation. i have found this is way easier than messing with the exposure compensation dials on the back of the M7. the M8 should be fun! kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 12, 2006 Share #211 Posted September 12, 2006 One thing we should remember in that article he said the firmware is not finished , which is very normal. So we may see some little changes in the production units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted September 12, 2006 Share #212 Posted September 12, 2006 One thing we should remember in that article he said the firmware is not finished , which is very normal. So we may see some little changes in the production units. and... NO syncro flash plug anywhere. If you are using a viewer... = kiss good bye ! Who is the designer ? I guess, a design competition, at designers high schools, with a 1000€ premium, would have been a great advantage for Leica ! Well, let see the selling price now ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 12, 2006 Share #213 Posted September 12, 2006 Well since that cat is obviously out of the bag. The word is at 1600 ISO this thing still is extremely good and noise free. All other rumors i had are right there so that was the last one i had up my sleeve. Now i am starting to feel poor. This is just divorce stuff. Maybe I missed this the first time, but a picture of the ISO menu is now up on the site. ISO 160, 320, 640, 1250 and 2500 Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 13, 2006 Share #214 Posted September 13, 2006 I got so excited by the high ISO potential that I just inadvertantly ordered a Noctilux. There's gonna be some serious tap-dancing in the jrc household if this fact becomes generally known... JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 13, 2006 Share #215 Posted September 13, 2006 Maybe I missed this the first time, but a picture of the ISO menu is now up on the site. ISO 160, 320, 640, 1250 and 2500 Bob. Hi Bob, I was going to comment on those ISO settings, too. I will add that there is also an "Auto ISO" setting and one of the menus showed it selected. What we need to find out is how Leica programed the Auto ISO. If you in Auto and have the aperture set at f/1.4 and the light fades, when does the ISO bump? I am going to check the DMR instructions that I downloaded and maybe Guy or the DMR users can beat me to it. This is not such a dumb setting if it is programed well and would work like the photographer does. If it work it will save a lot of menu dancing. The ISO 160 with the Sunny Sixteen rule only gets you to about f/2.5 at 1/8000. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #216 Posted September 13, 2006 The DMR has no Auto ISO , seems more for the point and shoot crowd but still a usefull feature and we have to remember there will be lot's of new folks to digital coming off there older M. Interesting featuree. what i meant by the ISO was the noise level is good at 1600 at 2500 is anyones guess. if I get over 800 it is a very rare day but the M is a street low light marvel and i knew they would work hard on the higher ISO , i just hope it is true. the DMR for reference is stop at 800 pretty much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 13, 2006 Share #217 Posted September 13, 2006 Well, it looks look some people aren't respecting the September 15 publication date but I still plan to and so my article about Leica's new products will go up on 9-15 at 00:01 GMT. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #218 Posted September 13, 2006 I think it still is a good idea Sean and you know I look forward to your report as many of us also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcemanYQQ Posted September 13, 2006 Share #219 Posted September 13, 2006 Well, it looks look some people aren't respecting the September 15 publication date but I still plan to and so my article about Leica's new products will go up on 9-15 at 00:01 GMT. Sean, this must really ruffle your feathers, but I respect your decision to honour your NDA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 13, 2006 Share #220 Posted September 13, 2006 Sean: Don't worry! Being BEST is better than being FIRST! (at least I hope this is true - since I won't be able to do an M8 review until November, if ever.) See ya Friday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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