albertwang Posted September 9, 2006 Share #61 Posted September 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's exactly the sequence on my Canon DSLR. It's a mouthful to say, but to actually perform the task takes about five seconds. naturally... but I am excited. Dude, if you're thinking that Leica is doing it wrong relative to your Cannon, return back to your Cannon pea shooter and take yourself promptly from the pre-order list. Let some other lucky bastard have fun with the Leica ISO game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 Hi albertwang, Take a look here The M8 puzzle game. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Ted W Posted September 9, 2006 Share #62 Posted September 9, 2006 Dude, I was actually arguing that using a menu system to change ISOs is not that big a deal. You might want to read it next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 9, 2006 Share #63 Posted September 9, 2006 That's exactly the sequence on my Canon DSLR. It's a mouthful to say, but to actually perform the task takes about five seconds. It must be one of the Rebel models you're talking about. On the other Canon DSLRs, ISO is set via a top mounted button and a control wheel. It displays in the top-mounted LCD screen. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted September 9, 2006 Share #64 Posted September 9, 2006 That's exactly the sequence on my Canon DSLR On my 20D it is via button then wheel on the top plate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 9, 2006 Share #65 Posted September 9, 2006 Mark, why would you want to buy Yquem in Milan ? Here, a bottle is between 150€ and 300€ for a "normal year". One can even found some at the supermarket around the corner, sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcemanYQQ Posted September 9, 2006 Share #66 Posted September 9, 2006 The ISO could be the same way to set as on the Digilux 2. By use of a function button, they have brought three of the most used/changed functions right to the fingertips. Once you are used to the camera, I can only imagine it taking three seconds or so to change the ISO, or White Balance. This way, there is no fumbling around the menu looking for such items. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 9, 2006 Share #67 Posted September 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's hope for a button, the wheel and maybe a display in the frame counter. After all, the frame counter is used to display the battery level too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted September 9, 2006 Share #68 Posted September 9, 2006 No reveal today????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted September 9, 2006 Share #69 Posted September 9, 2006 Mais non, c'est le week-end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 9, 2006 Share #70 Posted September 9, 2006 They should pull off a strip today, because if they don't, and only do it on weekdays, they will be pulling off the last one two days after Leica makes its announcement. I'm mostly curious about a battery-life indicator; surely there must be one somewhere, and easily visible. With all the pieces to be pulled from the back, there may be more stuff there than we suspect... Over on photo.net, somebody put up a comparison of the M8 (from the top) compared to an M7 of the same scale. The M8's a little chubby, but not bad at all. There have been other photo feeding-frenzies like this in the past, for the Nikon D2x and the Canon 1DsII, and both times the two hugest photo companies in the world put out some fairly poor photos to accompany the release of its new camera. And I don't mean poor in the usual Internet sense, in which some little weasel complains that because a photo isn't brilliant, or because it doesn't do precisely what he does, it sucks. I mean poor in the sense of being not very good at all -- bad lighting, apparent camera movement, etc. I hope Leica hasn't made this mistake. Sean Reid, who posted here a while ago, may be under an NDA, but I wonder if that means that he couldn't suggest a date when we could lopok at his site for test results? Does an NDA mean that? JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted September 9, 2006 Share #71 Posted September 9, 2006 What is the big deal about a battery indicator? If not the top, it will obviously be on the rear LCD. If the camera doesn't turn on, the battery's dead. If it turns on, there's your indicator bar right there on the back. Frame counter is something entirely different (although probably not anymore necessary). You know, I've got a lot of stuff lying around that runs on batteries. Some of it is even mission-critical. I can't think of one device that has an always-active charge indicator. Not even my car, something that I really rely on. If it turns on, you're good. If you're going on a trip, is it so hard to turn it on and see how much juice is left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 9, 2006 Share #72 Posted September 9, 2006 As I said just 3 or 4 messages ago, the battery life is in the frame counter lcd display, on the top of the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted September 9, 2006 Share #73 Posted September 9, 2006 Uh, okay... but the tone of your post was speculative, so my bad. Have you seen the thing in person? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 9, 2006 Share #74 Posted September 9, 2006 No, but I have pictures I cannot publish of it. And they are no Photoshop fakes. BTW, the ones on the "puzzle" site are real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 9, 2006 Share #75 Posted September 9, 2006 <snip>Sean Reid, who posted here a while ago, may be under an NDA, but I wonder if that means that he couldn't suggest a date when we could lopok at his site for test results? Does an NDA mean that? JC If I remember correctly Sean has hinted that we should look at his site on the 15th. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 9, 2006 Share #76 Posted September 9, 2006 With regard to ISO indicator: I thot this was ok when I started using the D2, but it has become a small pain in my side in the 2 1/2 years I have been using that camera. I don't mind accessing the function via the button on the rear of the D2 -- BUT I want to see it when I shoot, without turning on all the stuff in the display. If it's inside software on the M8, I hope that the camera constantly displays the current setting. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted September 9, 2006 Share #77 Posted September 9, 2006 does anyone expect the automatic mode to be different than the M7: that is, aperture priority only. and do we think the manual mode will display arrows in the viewfinder like the M7? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 9, 2006 Share #78 Posted September 9, 2006 The meter readout I can't speak to - but the meter modes will be Aperture priority or Manual. M lenses have no means by which the camera can set the aperture automatically - thus no program or shutter priority mode will work. I'd love to see a more complete finder display than the M7, well outside the framing area. A little LCD bar under the main viewing area with ISO, shutter speed, +/- scale for metering or EV setting - perhaps shots remaining and battery life. LCDs suck less power than LEDs. But if it IS minimalist M7 - that'll be OK, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 9, 2006 Share #79 Posted September 9, 2006 What is the big deal about a battery indicator? If not the top, it will obviously be on the rear LCD. If the camera doesn't turn on, the battery's dead. If it turns on, there's your indicator bar right there on the back. Frame counter is something entirely different (although probably not anymore necessary). The big deal is that the camera is totally battery dependent, unlike the MP or even the M7. Push the button, it doesn't come on, and you're ****ed. And the big display on the back absolutely sucks energy every time you turn it on and off; it's a TV set. The small LCDs on top can be maintained for literally years with a small coin-sized battery. Checking and rechecking battery strength by turning on and off a TV doesn't make sense. Knowing battery strength is also important if you chimp a lot, as I do, and look at the histogram a lot, as I do. When you start losing the battery, you can make a decision to quit chimping. Also, if you're shooting something that runs in sequences (American football), and the battery gauge hints that you won't make it through the next sequence, you can switch batteries while the switching is good. Also, the whole LCD display seems so simple to implement (they're on even the cheapest digital p&s; they were the first digital watches ever made) that there'd be no reason not to have one... I suppose the little round button could be both a frame indicator and a battery scale. I certainly hope so. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted September 10, 2006 Share #80 Posted September 10, 2006 I guess my point is, it's a matter of how one operates the camera. If you push the button and it doesn't come on, yes, you're fucked, and it wouldn't matter if there was an LCD on the top or not cause the camera's dead. Now if you don't chimp, preferring not to have the rear LCD on to save battery strength (if that's even possible), then I might see the advantage to having a small indicator on the top. But you said you do chimp, as most folks probably would to some degree, so the rear LCD is on and being used anyway and battery strength is available to be seen. In other words, the rear LCD is vital to operating the camera, so having an additional tiny LCD adds nothing to the functionality. As far as the energy efficiency of the "big TV set," I assume it would have some sort of sleep mode to conserve juice for the reasons you mentioned. Or if it doesn't, it should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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