johnastovall Posted February 18, 2008 Share #1 Posted February 18, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok, what's the deal? I was looking at a good deal on a Nikon Coolscan 5000 but I see this about it at B&H "*Not compatible with non-chromogenic black & white film". I was plaining on using it for Tri-X and Tmax 400 I'm developing but as I understand it only C41 process black and white films are chromogenic. Can I use it or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robsteve Posted February 19, 2008 Share #2 Posted February 19, 2008 John: You may have to do some more research, but I think it is the Digital ICE function that is not compatible with conventional B&W film, not the scanner as a whole. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent10D Posted February 19, 2008 Share #3 Posted February 19, 2008 I agree. I think they must be referring to the ICE feature, which won't work with silver-based films. Many people on this forum and others (including myself) use the Coolscan 5000 successfully with standard B&W films. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted February 19, 2008 Share #4 Posted February 19, 2008 I agree with the above posters. The Coolscan 5000 will scan B&W negs just fine, but you can switch the ICE feature off and improve the speed of your scan. Great scanner! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted February 19, 2008 Share #5 Posted February 19, 2008 John, dont buy the scanner....till you have taken out a bank loan to pay for all the film you will chisel through it :D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camera Obscura Posted February 19, 2008 Share #6 Posted February 19, 2008 You can scan T Max and similar films with Nikon Coolscan. Just switch off Digital ICE. You will have to eliminate dust in PS or if you use Apple in iPhoto. I do this a lot and have great results. A Nikon Coolscan is the best investment once you own a Leica! Have fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 19, 2008 Share #7 Posted February 19, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) As others have said it'll scan b&w ok, but not with ICE if it's a 'traditional' film. Getting a Leica IIIC and a Coolscan III was what got me back into photography a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Purling Posted February 20, 2008 Share #8 Posted February 20, 2008 Do film scanners of any maker exaggerate the apparentgrain level of a >400ASA emulsion? I have got a stack of 400ASA Agfa APX400, admittedly developed in Rodinal (R09), sometimes in Winter I may use some Ilford Delta 32000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted February 20, 2008 Share #9 Posted February 20, 2008 John, I have the Coolscan 5000 and am very pleased with it. As a matter of fact NO scanner will scan "silver" B&W film using ICE - its only compatible with Reversal (but not Kodachrome) and C41 film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 20, 2008 Share #10 Posted February 20, 2008 Keith, Vuescan allows the use of dust removal with Kodachrome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted February 20, 2008 Share #11 Posted February 20, 2008 Keith, Vuescan allows the use of dust removal with Kodachrome. My mistake Steve - but that isn't ICE is it? Its Vuescan's own "dust removal" tool? You know Vuescan much better than I do. I know a lot of people find it excellent but I can't get used to its interface! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted February 20, 2008 Share #12 Posted February 20, 2008 Same here. The user interface is shall we say... opaque? Has a Dummies Guide to Viewscan been published on the internet? The programmer who wrote the software is focused on functionality and features, but if he just employed a usability person to redesign the user interface so that ordinary mortals could use the thing he would see the difference in sales no question. What this program needs is a set of instructions that starts with the end result and provides a series of simple checklist type instructions that a user can go through to achieve that end result. I know what I like in an image and I want a cookbook approach to achieving it. It is very frustrating to buy a program like Viewscan and then be completely unable to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srabu Posted March 5, 2008 Share #13 Posted March 5, 2008 Peter, Keith, I understand you have trouble using vuescan. I find the program excellent, although I have to admit that the interface takes some getting used to... Once you manage the interface, using vuescan is simple and fast. Also, the support is just excellent. In case you have any questions about the program, I'm sure you will get answers here. Just ask I use vuescan with a Nikon 5000 and an SR-30 adapter. Best regards, Stefan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodaktrix Posted March 6, 2008 Share #14 Posted March 6, 2008 The problem with scanning traditional B&W film on Nikon Coolscans was/is not the ICE, which indeed does not work on any scanner with those films, but the harsh direct light of the LEDs which Nikon uses. To my experiance, which is some years back now, the results of regulary developped films were rubbish. I had to expose and develop my films to very light and flat negatives to obtain something one could call a grayscale. Coolsscans were great for slides, but a pain in the a.. for silver-based B&W. I changed to Microtek Artixscan 4000 then which use no LEDs and have been happy for years now. But I use silver-base B&W only! Regards Oliver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted March 6, 2008 Share #15 Posted March 6, 2008 John, The first thing I do before scanning is to blow off the negatives/slides with canned air. I personally believe it was a darn shame Minolta did not develop their 5400 concept any further and that Sony chose to discontinue it when they took over. It'll be a dark day in my house when mine croaks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 6, 2008 Share #16 Posted March 6, 2008 I use a Coolscan V for all my scanning needs and it works just fine on silver based B&W film. It is worth developing the film slightly differently from the way that you might do for wet darkroom work, but not much. (A reduction in the developing time is beneficial to scanning). Since the chances of me ever doing any wet darkroom work again are slim to say the least, i do not see this as an issue. I have been very pleased with the Nikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 6, 2008 Share #17 Posted March 6, 2008 My mistake Steve - but that isn't ICE is it? Its Vuescan's own "dust removal" tool? You know Vuescan much better than I do. I know a lot of people find it excellent but I can't get used to its interface! Vuescan's dust removal function is ICE by another name. Turn it off when using silvber films. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 6, 2008 Share #18 Posted March 6, 2008 What this program needs is a set of instructions that starts with the end result and provides a series of simple checklist type instructions that a user can go through to achieve that end result. I know what I like in an image and I want a cookbook approach to achieving it. It is very frustrating to buy a program like Viewscan and then be completely unable to use it. 97 pages of checklist instructions available from Ed Hamrick's Vuescan website: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.pdf As with the best things in life, it is worth persevering with Vuescan as it is, IMHO, by far and away the most versatile scanning software, and in Pro form, an absolute steal. While the interfcae might not be up to "Apple" standards, once you understand what functions are dealt with in which tabbed area, it's not complicated. There is a simple "walk through" method of scanning if you wish, or the full blown interface if you want more control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted March 6, 2008 Share #19 Posted March 6, 2008 Andy, you may have saved my life. Thank you very much for this. I bought the Pro version so I will check this out over the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted March 24, 2008 Share #20 Posted March 24, 2008 I'm extremely happy with my Coolscan V scanning traditional silver B&W. Don't hesitate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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