Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 28, 2006 Share #1 Posted June 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) okay feel like I am ratting out someone but here goes just because leica is not saying anything does not mean i can't. Right? right. i talked tomy little birdy today and he squeaked all the latest tidbits. here goes Offical name M8 Sensor by Kodak very similar to DMR Crop 1.33 Firmware still a question mark but German , guess is Jenoptik which does have nice software. Lens coding this is interesting this a complete new mount given to lenses sent in from the 1960's yes you get a new rear lens mount. It is not just paint but etched out first and than painted . Send in NOW they are ready for them. Any lens made after July 1st automatically has the code . oh and it is a leica patent so forget third party. What does it do Exif data shutter and aperture ISO and normal EXif data . the part that is not mentioned much is better AWB and vignetting info in some lenses to correct for that. So like ROM in the R SD cards get them now. LOL Same shutter as the leica R9 Viewfinder quess is it takes in the crop factor. Not sure here Possiable 2 lens surprise release at Photokinia also nothing offical announced until 2 weeks before show More announced at show , look for smaller packages and interchangeable lenses , the number 3 comes to mind. Also pre-orders are going on now. i was just called and I simply have to wait Okay back to my den and hide from the strom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted June 28, 2006 Share #2 Posted June 28, 2006 Guy: I think your little birdie gets his info from - The Leica Camera Users Forum! 2. Come Oct. 2, when PhotoKina is over and closed, the diehards will still be insisting that there must have been a misprint in the Leica press release - that it was a new FILM camera that was called the M8, and the digital-M must have been called something else.... 3. White balance correction according to the lens coding makes sense - certainly some of my Canadian lenses (21, 28, 90 f/2) have a bit more yellow warmth to them than the Solms lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 28, 2006 Share #3 Posted June 28, 2006 Have you confirmed the dots are a Leica patent? Don't think it would do the other vendors much good anyway because the processing is specific to Leica's lenses not theirs. Applying tweaking for a 28mm Summicron when actually what is fitted is a Biogon T may or may not yield an improvement. Won't stop Biogon users getting the paint out to try though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 28, 2006 Share #4 Posted June 28, 2006 No the little birdie is not from the leica users forum but from a better source otherwise i would not say anything. This come from leica and it is a M8 and that is the offical name. So to me with that name there is no room for a film camera again, my guess that will still be a M7 and a la carte item. This is the year of the leica and a whole new management team with some very different idea's. Mark i did ask that question is it a leica patent and the answer is yes . The interesting thing is they have stock of all the lenses from 1960 and they completely replace the lens mount. The mounts were the coding marks are is milled out than the paint applied. Otherwise the paint would just wear off. No leica may sell the rights to it but it is there patent. Also they are talking leica only lenses and starting July 1st any lens made will have the coding . I think this is a good idea on replacing since it maybe a faster process to turn out the modifications faster. Replacing would be much faster than milling every lens that comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted June 28, 2006 Share #5 Posted June 28, 2006 Ahh...the plot thickens! Thanks Guy. As this year's Leica-One-Challenge in Paris takes place on October 7th I have a feeling what will be the topic of discussion.... - Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 28, 2006 Share #6 Posted June 28, 2006 The interesting thing that we discussed was the look of the files and like the DMR which is very film like expect the M to be also. leica realizes that many will be coming from the M series and film and will keep that film feeling in the files. now to be honest having the DMR that is the case there , the files from the DMR are more film like than any other OEM making digital camera's. Most of you know i have done a lot of serious testing between the DMR and the Canon 1dsMKII and this was the big difference between them is the DMR is very Kodachrome looking , I would expect the smae from the M8 it still has a Kodak sensor although slightly different , the big differnce will be the firmware and that is something that seems to be the real secret in all of the talk and tidbits that we keep getting out of them. my guess is it is Jenopiks which some of you know is a big German company with roots back to the Zeiss days. But talking to a few MF users of there dig backs there software is very nice unlike Flexcolor from Imacon for the DMR which i dislike very much. Other questions that I have is DNG files are most likely the case and how soon support in programs like Phase One Capture One and Adobe will come into play. this is going to be a huge seller so I hope that support comes quick. The DMR is and won't be as much as a big hit like the M8 but support did take about 2 months from C1. Now my suggestion to leica is get these files to the 3rd party raw developers now and get them on board for release of the M8. I know that maybe to forward thinking because the firmware may not be final but as soon as they can, they should release to these folks and get them started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 28, 2006 Share #7 Posted June 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think M8 is exactly right. What is your "mole" saying about viewfinders and framelines? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlander Posted June 28, 2006 Share #8 Posted June 28, 2006 okay feel like I am ratting out someone but here goes just because leica is not saying anything does not mean i can't. Right? right. i talked tomy little birdy today and he squeaked all the latest tidbits. here goes Offical name M8 Sensor by Kodak very similar to DMR Crop 1.33 Firmware still a question mark but German , guess is Jenoptik which does have nice software. Lens coding this is interesting this a complete new mount given to lenses sent in from the 1960's yes you get a new rear lens mount. It is not just paint but etched out first and than painted . Send in NOW they are ready for them. Any lens made after July 1st automatically has the code . oh and it is a leica patent so forget third party. What does it do Exif data shutter and aperture ISO and normal EXif data . the part that is not mentioned much is better AWB and vignetting info in some lenses to correct for that. So like ROM in the R SD cards get them now. LOL Same shutter as the leica R9 Viewfinder quess is it takes in the crop factor. Not sure here Possiable 2 lens surprise release at Photokinia also nothing offical announced until 2 weeks before show More announced at show , look for smaller packages and interchangeable lenses , the number 3 comes to mind. Also pre-orders are going on now. i was just called and I simply have to wait Okay back to my den and hide from the strom Guy, Will there be a cost implication to having the mounts changed? and if so how much are they looking for? ... Jim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted June 28, 2006 Share #9 Posted June 28, 2006 Jim, I've heard that the charge will be around $200 per lens. Guy, you've made a great point about 3rd party raw programs. It really would be advantageous to be able to use alternative programs like C1 right away ... especially for the early adopters. Those individuals that are comfortable with digital files and a variety of raw programs will be able to help others (in forums like this) make a smooth transition to the M8. This is important as there will be quite a few folks who will be transitioning from film to digital. Kurt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 28, 2006 Share #10 Posted June 28, 2006 I think it's fairly priced - Leica Solms have quoted me €95 and that includes checking over the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zebra Posted June 28, 2006 Share #11 Posted June 28, 2006 Hi, does someone know if the RAW-Format of the M8 will be DNG? Constantin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted June 28, 2006 Share #12 Posted June 28, 2006 Well, this brings me out of lurk status...:-) Guy, thanks for the information. The "film look" is something I sort of took for granted when I heard that the sensor would be the Kodak KAF FFT series and I am glad that they know "that look" is important. I use an E-1 with the first version of that sensor and picked it out of the competing brand options, because the image look was familiar. Your comments about the DMR image quality are very encouraging. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 28, 2006 Share #13 Posted June 28, 2006 Hi,does someone know if the RAW-Format of the M8 will be DNG? Constantin Seems highly likely; it's in everyone's interest that Leica stay mainstream in order to get buy-in from third-party developers. We expect them to make use of the vendor specific content in the DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted June 28, 2006 Share #14 Posted June 28, 2006 Has anybody heard more about the finder magnification? I recall reading on the 'old forum' that there will be no provision for the 135mm lenses. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted June 28, 2006 Share #15 Posted June 28, 2006 I am confused: if you send your lens in and they give you a "new rear lens mount," do you mean that it's more than just the etching? If so, will the lens continue to be useable on the film Leica's? (I can't imagine they won't, but just checking to make sure I understand.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted June 28, 2006 Share #16 Posted June 28, 2006 So does that mean that I won't be able to mount my KM lenses onto the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted June 28, 2006 Share #17 Posted June 28, 2006 3. White balance correction according to the lens coding makes sense - certainly some of my Canadian lenses (21, 28, 90 f/2) have a bit more yellow warmth to them than the Solms lenses. Andy, in my experience with using older OM lenses on my E-1, the Auto White Balance or Custom White Balance will correct for lens tint (aging). One item not brought up or mentioned by any of the "little birdies" is whether the M8 will have hybrid white balance, like most of the top end models from C, N & O. I have it on the E-1 and white balance is a non-issue, except in the worse mixed lighting situations. For those not familiar with the term, there is a second WB sensor on the body that captures ambient WB to combine with the TTL WB. While RAW processing may seem to eliminate the need for this, starting with a correct WB sure helps, in reducing pp. Mt 35, 50 & 90 are Canadian, but I haven't anything to compare them to, to determine if they have any tint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted June 28, 2006 Share #18 Posted June 28, 2006 So does that mean that I won't be able to mount my KM lenses onto the M8? I'm sure, if you are patient, some industrious machinist will make an adapter, but how will you set the aperture...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted June 28, 2006 Share #19 Posted June 28, 2006 Isn't the aperture set on the lens itself? Unless the metering system of the M8 is not aperture priority or something completely different I don't see anything preventing me from mounting my KM lens onto the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 28, 2006 Share #20 Posted June 28, 2006 Albert how i understood it was any of the other brands will work but will not get that info for the EXIF data and WB and AWB sort of like the Rom in the R lens. But the zeiss or Viogtlanders will work , the mount itself is the M mount just this added capability will be added. Now can someone else do this , sure but leica has the patent so they may have to buy the rights to do it. We will have to see how this works out Yes I guess leica figured it was much easier and faster just to replace the rear lens mount all together. Actually it makes great sense to me. Also New Jersey facility will also be able to do this. Cost 195 US Also Kurt is right if it is a DNG which i believe is 99 percent correct and can be seen by the raw developers like C1, there are many DMR users that can really get you on the road to great files right away. So for the M users start getting friendly with us DMR users . :) This maybe the first time i am not the first to get a Digital camera.i was first with the 1dsMKII , 1dMKII and the DMR starting to feel lost already, But I have a strong feeling that i will be heavily involved in the M8 if all goes well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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