rfleica Posted September 8, 2006 Share #81 Posted September 8, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find most of Allbert's posts quite hilarious. I would not want to see the comments reigned in. The anti-Canon/Cannon thing is a bit of a hoot. But Heaven help him if he's serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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albertwang Posted September 8, 2006 Share #82 Posted September 8, 2006 Spasiba. I consider myself a man of good humour. Somebody's gotta play the fool (old song)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gylee Posted September 10, 2006 Share #83 Posted September 10, 2006 The 5D sucks in all the button placement. I tried it and hated it quite a bit. Did you try it the same way you read the AP review? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 10, 2006 Share #84 Posted September 10, 2006 hahaha... i tested the 5d at pictureline just a week after it came out to utah... too much to deal with in terms of finding all the conrols... custom functions interesting... nikkon similar but what do you expect buzzardguy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 10, 2006 Share #85 Posted September 10, 2006 cang canons go boom boom for wang,wank wangons. The new canon is a good buy, wack a leica lens on it shoot manual and raw, ... beauuutifal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 10, 2006 Share #86 Posted September 10, 2006 Dunno... e-1 body and its instant waterproofing in snow, drop 10000 feet and it survives, never a bad moment in the shower too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 10, 2006 Share #87 Posted September 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I really don't get this 'there are too many buttons' thing. Once the camera is set up you hardly ever need to use them. I've been on holiday for two weeks with a 5D and just Leica glass and the only 'buttons' I've used are the ones to change the exposure compensation and the ISO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 10, 2006 Share #88 Posted September 10, 2006 The 5D is a great camera for what it is supposed to do. Can Leica make one? No. Can Olympus make one? No. Even Nikon can't make one ... not to mention a home electronics company who primarily makes fridges and washing machines, and isn't even among the best of the second tier competitors from Japan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 11, 2006 Share #89 Posted September 11, 2006 Well this thread is drifting all over the place...which, of course, is one of the fun things about the web. So, since we've drifted to ergonomics, I'll nominate two production digital cameras that I think have the best ergonomic designs (for professional use) I've seen so far. 1. The Nikon D200: The many buttons and switches on this camera serve important purposes and virtually all of them access functions that professionals use regularly. Many adjustments are made through tactile switches that are located in logical places. This is a camera that, even without an LCD, would be quite useable by feel alone, even in the dark. All those buttons and switches may not be pretty to some but the controls system overall works better than any other DSLR I've used. It's what I think of as a "photographer's camera". 2. The Epson R-D1: This is one of those rare digital cameras that one can work with for hours (even during an intense shoot) and never need to turn on the LCD screen. Some find the ISO display (in the shutter dial) a bit small to read but it's location is extremely simple and functional to see and use. Likewise, the analog settings display shows me all the key information I need to know at a glance. WB and recording method are set using a lever and the "rewind" knob and EV comp. is set with the shutter dial (such that one is not likely to forget it's setting). Overall, it's ergonomics are excellent. The 5D is an exceptional camera and I've been using one fairly intensively for the past year. The ergonomic weaknesses include a mirror lock-up function that's buried in menus and buttons that have two different functions depending on which control wheel is turned. The controls work well but the D200 has better ergonomics. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #90 Posted September 11, 2006 Yuck... the 5D is worse than the 20/30D series for Leica users. You have to either modify or change the lens or mirror in order to use wide-sngles on it. Victims include: current 28mm f2.8 24mm f2.8 35-70mm f2.8 15mm f2.8 19mm f2.8 21-35mm f.3.5-4.5 35mm f1.4 current 50mm f1.5 So the 5D is not much use if you have to modify everything about it in order to use the leica wide angles... and no cannon wide angles for me... I think that I will settle for the e1 without mods you know... granted a pissingcontest here but i dare that it be done on your 5d and yours on my e300 (if I get a e1 I will let the cannonjihadists water on that instead)... see which one outlasts in the downpour duders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 11, 2006 Share #91 Posted September 11, 2006 <snip> 2. The Epson R-D1: This is one of those rare digital cameras that one can work with for hours (even during an intense shoot) and never need to turn on the LCD screen. Some find the ISO display (in the shutter dial) a bit small to read but it's location is extremely simple and functional to see and use. Likewise, the analog settings display shows me all the key information I need to know at a glance. WB and recording method are set using a lever and the "rewind" knob and EV comp. is set with the shutter dial (such that one is not likely to forget it's setting). Overall, it's ergonomics are excellent. <snip> I thought merely having four ISO settings on the RD-1 would be a disadvantage, in practice I've found quite the opposite. There are only two click positions between the end stops which I find makes for easy setting without looking in the dial window. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 11, 2006 Share #92 Posted September 11, 2006 I thought merely having four ISO settings on the RD-1 would be a disadvantage, in practice I've found quite the opposite. There are only two click positions between the end stops which I find makes for easy setting without looking in the dial window. Bob. Hi Bob, Same here but I'm not sure if many others do it by feel. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 11, 2006 Share #93 Posted September 11, 2006 Yuck... the 5D is worse than the 20/30D series for Leica users. You have to either modify or change the lens or mirror in order to use wide-sngles on it. Victims include: current 28mm f2.8 24mm f2.8 35-70mm f2.8 15mm f2.8 19mm f2.8 21-35mm f.3.5-4.5 35mm f1.4 current 50mm f1.5 So the 5D is not much use if you have to modify everything about it in order to use the leica wide angles... and no cannon wide angles for me... I think that I will settle for the e1 without mods you know... granted a pissingcontest here but i dare that it be done on your 5d and yours on my e300 (if I get a e1 I will let the cannonjihadists water on that instead)... see which one outlasts in the downpour duders. Albert, You clearly have a strong dislike of Canon but one is free to like or dislike as he or she sees fit. As for myself, I am brand-agnostic and like cameras that work well as tools - no matter who makes them. As for contests and things, I'm not sure what you're talking about and it's probably not important that I understand what you mean. In any case, I use a lot of different cameras over the course of a year and I try to judge them all without brand bias (for or against). The 5D is an excellent camera but I think there's little reason that photographer A should try to convince photographer B of the merits or demerits of a given camera. Buy and use what you like, they're just cameras. If you dislike Canon cameras, that's just fine. The vehemence seems a little strange, but so be it. Follow your bliss, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #94 Posted September 11, 2006 Indeed, I would have grabbed a Nikon D200 (enjoyed the feel, operation, and balance) since it is an extension of my D70 I use for shooting sports and long lens events Unfortunately, this wonderful camera cannot be modified to accept R lenses (although Gandy has a Nikon F2 with R mount) and keep metering capability (AIS lenses have a tab that connects to a small cam to signal metering when you switch aperture ring)... However, the D200 does have a built-in electronic rangefinder with all mechanical lenses! And Cannon can't do that. I have had too many out of focus shots with wide angle R's that I lost in the studio. I have good reason not to be happy when my clients don't get the shots they want. Yes, it's ruthless and practical but I use what works for my setup. And no one has to listen to my rants either For me, it's therapeutic and psychologically satisfying to translate the monologue into ecriture [sic]. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supperman Posted September 11, 2006 Share #95 Posted September 11, 2006 Dunno... e-1 body and its instant waterproofing in snow, drop 10000 feet and it survives, never a bad moment in the shower too. lol... how often do you take photos in a downpour? Plus the camera is only as waterproof as each of its components, and Leica lenses aren't water/snow proof, so this is really a non-issue for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 11, 2006 Share #96 Posted September 11, 2006 Indeed, I would have grabbed a Nikon D200 (enjoyed the feel, operation, and balance) since it is an extension of my D70 I use for shooting sports and long lens events Unfortunately, this wonderful camera cannot be modified to accept R lenses (although Gandy has a Nikon F2 with R mount) and keep metering capability (AIS lenses have a tab that connects to a small cam to signal metering when you switch aperture ring)... However, the D200 does have a built-in electronic rangefinder with all mechanical lenses! Hi Albert, You probably read my D200 review so you know that I talked quite a bit about how well the D200 is designed with respect to manual focus lenses. What I've found to be a great combination so far is the D200 with Zeiss ZF lenses. I've tested the 50/1.4, as you know, and would like to test the 35 as well. The electronic VF works with Nikon AI and AIS lenses (of course many of the older lenses can be converted). Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 11, 2006 Share #97 Posted September 11, 2006 Sean is right. Nikon has a good sense of history and their incredible compatibility is important to them. In fact, a lot of people saw their keeping the F mount a problem during the new era of autofocus. But I disagree. Leica kept the R mount adding only the electronic contacts for ROM (and extra cams). The electronic rangefinder on any Nikon DSLR (even the D70) is incredible. I was doing a model shoot using AIS wide angle lenses (21mm - 28mm) and almost 95% of the shots were in focus. I was glad. Compared to my Cannon D30, Rebel, 20D, 5D experiences, I had a difficult time focusing about 60% of the wide angle shots... The R8 is the most awesome viewfinder especially since I wear glasses. Plus the wide angle ZF DIstagons will need the electronic rangefinder especially once you shoot down to 18mm close-up (where focusing is prominently needed). Of course, I just a bunch of Cannons running down the Trax, alas, if only I could display my OLIA more prominently... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 11, 2006 Share #98 Posted September 11, 2006 Indeed, I am going to wait for Sean Reid to review the L1 thoroughly. He is the type of guy who will look at the lens in good detail and compare it to other regular R zooms. So you trust Sean Reid's opinion - have you ever read his 5D or 1ds MK2 review then? Is he then considered a Canon jihadist as well? ps: I'm a paid subscriber of ReidReviews, and encourage everyone who hasn't already subscribe, to do so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 11, 2006 Share #99 Posted September 11, 2006 Indeed, I would have grabbed a Nikon D200 (enjoyed the feel, operation, and balance) since it is an extension of my D70 I use for shooting sports and long lens events Unfortunately, this wonderful camera cannot be modified to accept R lenses (although Gandy has a Nikon F2 with R mount) and keep metering capability (AIS lenses have a tab that connects to a small cam to signal metering when you switch aperture ring)... However, the D200 does have a built-in electronic rangefinder with all mechanical lenses! And Cannon can't do that. I have had too many out of focus shots with wide angle R's that I lost in the studio. I have good reason not to be happy when my clients don't get the shots they want. Yes, it's ruthless and practical but I use what works for my setup. I'm not sure what's the problem if you cannot focus manually, in the strict confines of the studio, with a controlled setup, a camera with a wide angle lens fitted to it. Even without focus confirmation. Yeah, tat's right. The camera must be at fault Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gylee Posted September 11, 2006 Share #100 Posted September 11, 2006 Compared to my Cannon D30, Rebel, 20D, 5D experiences, I had a difficult time focusing about 60% of the wide angle shots... Was the 5D difficulty during a model shoot at Pictureline (which is where you said that you used the 5D)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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