albertwang Posted September 6, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 6, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Indeed, correct. Therefore pre-reviews like this don't count. Whether by JE or Amateur. Q.E.D. Wait til final camera comes out, then final decision will be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 6, 2006 Posted September 6, 2006 Hi albertwang, Take a look here Panasonic L1 review in Amateur Photographer this week. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
TimF Posted September 6, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 6, 2006 Good Grief. The AP review was done using a production camera last month. How do I know this? Because many of the pictures used in the piece were shot at Fairport Convention's Cropredy Festival, which ran from 10th to 12th August (Fairport's Cropredy Convention official guide. How difficult it is to simply say, OK I ran my mouth off without full knowledge, Sorry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 6, 2006 Share #43 Posted September 6, 2006 There was never going to be a quantum leap in image quality from what Oly produced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 6, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 6, 2006 There was never going to be a quantum leap in image quality from what Cannon produced either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 7, 2006 There was never going to be a quantum leap in image quality from what Oly produced ??? What I'm seeing from the L1 is far worse than those from the Olys. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 7, 2006 Share #46 Posted September 7, 2006 Professionals know what they want. Amateurs bob their heads to follow the crowd en masse. There's a touch of elitism in this. I'm a professional. But I started out as an amateur like everyone else. And albert, what's this bad blood thingy you have with Canon? now I will not claim to have used the L1 or even seen one in person. But I've seen and touched and used the Oly 300, 500, and the newest 330 (the one the L1 was based on). So sticking my neck out, I would venture to say / guess / expect the L1 will: 1) feel good in the hands, ergonomically 2) have a bad small and dim viewfinder unsuitable for manual focus, like that of the E330, E500, Canon digital rebel, Sony alpha dslr and other entry level dslrs 3) have poor buffering capability, esp when shooting RAW 4) have noisy images from ISO 400 and up, compared to its cheaper competition, eg the Canon digital rebel, Nikon D70/80 etc simply due to its smaller sensor size and Oly's (non-existent) history of clean high ISO images 5) have image quality similar to what you will get with the Oly 330 I have not read any of the L1 reviews. But a 4/3s camera is a 4/3s camera. The only one I liked was the Oly E-1. That was a TRUE professional's dream - smaller build, tough weather sealed body, big viewfinder. I have no idea why Oly is not updating it at all.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 7, 2006 Share #47 Posted September 7, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why do I dislike Cannon? Plastic images... overprocessed pix, colors that don't match the Gregg Macbeth chart, over contrasty imagery, Microsoft like tactics in the marketplace, all sorts of s**t that makes the current Administration very golden by comparison. I don't pretend to be objective. But like the French writer Celine, I would like to make my opinion clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 7, 2006 Share #48 Posted September 7, 2006 I have no idea why Oly is not updating it at all.... Hi David, We might hear something on Sept.14th, so one week to wait. Oly has filed for a US Trademark for E-3 and also for E-400. I agree with your comments on the E-1, but then I own one;) Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #49 Posted September 7, 2006 Oly will demostrate a mock up of the E-1 upgrade at the Kina ... the actual camera probably won't be available before next summer ... one thing I've never understood, if Leica wants to jump on the 4/3 bandwagon, Panasonic can be completely bypassed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #50 Posted September 7, 2006 Speaking of overprocessing of digital images, nobody on earth could do a better job than Panasonic does ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 7, 2006 Share #51 Posted September 7, 2006 that's overprocessed jpegs for panny, not overprocessed RAW files! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #52 Posted September 7, 2006 To quote Phil Askey in his FZ30 review ... Panasonic DMC-FZ30 Review: 17. Conclusion: Digital Photography Review Pointless RAW converter produces worse results than JPEGs Of course, I believe you can always choose not to process ... if you do appreciate noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 7, 2006 Share #53 Posted September 7, 2006 Uh, don't use the Panasonic RAW converter. Try Aperture or Lightroom instead! I think that a third-party converter would work much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #54 Posted September 7, 2006 You should really do some investigation before replying to my post ... neither Aperture nor Lightroom supports the L1. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 7, 2006 Share #55 Posted September 7, 2006 Hi David,We might hear something on Sept.14th, so one week to wait. Oly has filed for a US Trademark for E-3 and also for E-400. I agree with your comments on the E-1, but then I own one;) Bob wow this is very good news indeed. So Oly is jumping from E-1 to E-3 - should we expect 3 times the improvement over the original? I would be happy with maybe 8-10 megapixels, while keeping the original E1 chassis. It wouldn't have high ISO noise free images I guess, but I will be able to use it in rain / inclement weather without worry.... unlike my Canon 20D.... it'll be an all weather digital companion.... The original "pro" Oly lenses are weather sealed. Does anyone know if the Leica vario elmarit zoom with the new Panny L1 is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 7, 2006 Share #56 Posted September 7, 2006 Oly will demostrate a mock up of the E-1 upgrade at the Kina ... the actual camera probably won't be available before next summer ... one thing I've never understood, if Leica wants to jump on the 4/3 bandwagon, Panasonic can be completely bypassed. That might offend Panasonic, who is Leica's official partner. And if Panny cuts off all ties.. Leica will be lost. Unless Oly is prepared to work with Leica the way Panny is working with them now..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #57 Posted September 7, 2006 And if Panny cuts off all ties.. Leica will be lost. Unless Oly is prepared to work with Leica the way Panny is working with them now..... Let's look at the flip side of the situation ... IMHO if Leica cuts off the ties, Panasonic would be the loser because the only selling point of their current flock of digicams is the Leica moniker painted on their products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 7, 2006 Share #58 Posted September 7, 2006 Doesn't mean that Aperture or Lightroom won't support L1 in the future. Regardless. dpreview again is another Cannon outlet... check the background of the reviewers that you throw out to us seriously. Dpreview is hardly objective. They are slanted to the tech side of the camera but not the optics seriously... Whew, if I based on my opinion on theirs I would have ended up with a Minolta point and shoot instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 7, 2006 Share #59 Posted September 7, 2006 This would be my last reply to you, Albert ... on this topic. And if you're trying desperately to defend a Leica, sorry ... I'm talking about a Panasonic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 7, 2006 Share #60 Posted September 7, 2006 Panasonic isn't bad but it still counts as a Leica regardless. In fact, are we planning to rebrand all those zooms 35-70 f3.5 28-70 f3.5-4.5 as Minolta and Sigma? Or the Minilux or CM as being Panasonic too? Yes, we know about the hybrid heritage... but seriously, Leica isn't some purebred horse we are trying to breed here. Duh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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