philipotto Posted September 2, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 2, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Me: Seller Reputation: (47) Verified Buyers Account Status: Verified Account Type: US Premier Account Creation Date: Aug. 3, 2001 PayPal Member For: 5 years 30 days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 2, 2006 Posted September 2, 2006 Hi philipotto, Take a look here Any Verified PayPal users here?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
spydrxx Posted September 3, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 3, 2006 Sorry to drag this on...seems that there are a lot of people speculating on verification. I suggest anybody interested in the answer going to Ebay/Paypal and reading the features/benefits statements. You can then decide whether or not it is appropriate for you. All this "evil" nonsense is just childish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 3, 2006 Share #43 Posted September 3, 2006 Sorry, but you expect me to believe the terms of agreement are actually followed by the company itself? That's almost as bad as the gullible people who trusted the last State of Union speech! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 3, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 3, 2006 Sorry, but you expect me to believe the terms of agreement are actually followed by the company itself? That's almost as bad as the gullible people who trusted the last State of Union speech! Hi Mulder, glad to see you're back under a pseudo. How is Scully ? So right now the conspiracy is not about aliens anymore but about Paypal, Ebay and the other taking over the world ? I'm afraid it will be less sexy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
augenschmaus Posted September 3, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 3, 2006 Paypal is no ordinary bank. There ARE some subtle differences in their authorizations, responsibilities, practices. And not to the advantage of the customer, but to their's. See the numerous websites dedicated to the subject. Or have a look at wikipedia.org, criticism, as a starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 3, 2006 Share #46 Posted September 3, 2006 PayPal Fraud Warning - Virus Alert, PayPal Alternatives, Horror Stories, eBay - PayPal PayPal - Horror Stories, Lawsuits, PayPal Problems & Information - PayPal Account eBay Blogs - Ebay and Paypal horror stories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 3, 2006 Share #47 Posted September 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sure but as this is the Internet, I'm sure I also can find proof that Alien exists, that the 9/11 was a XXX conspiracy and not what it has been told (replace XXX by whatever you want). Hey, I can even start a web site saying that Albert Wang from Salt Lake City is just Mulder under disguise trying to use the huge mormon databases to detect the Aliens responsible for the 9/11... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
augenschmaus Posted September 4, 2006 Share #48 Posted September 4, 2006 It is not about conspiracy theories at all. The bottom line is, Paypal is much less secure than they claim - for the most part, the buyer/seller protection is an illusion. You do not have to believe anything, just read Paypal's ToS and look how they execute it. When/if it comes down to Paypal's own monetary interests, both the seller AND buyer lose. I have been a verified user, too, and closed my account. If you still want to use it, the most important thing is to not leave any money on the Paypal account but to transfer it as quick as possible to your bank account. Do not give Paypal any authorizations for your bank account. Pay with credit card to be able to charge back in the worst case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted September 4, 2006 Share #49 Posted September 4, 2006 AFAIK even if you've configured PP for DD you can reject a transaction and get your account credited again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 5, 2006 Share #50 Posted September 5, 2006 Dead wrong. It really is a collusion! I called my buddy in Philly who is an expert on these matters and he confirmed me on this issue. I consider that good enough. Enuf of this chagrin! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 5, 2006 Author Share #51 Posted September 5, 2006 Many thanks to those of you who described your successful verification process: Josef, Pascal, Steve, Gary, and Philip. In particular the suggestion to use a separate bank account, Josef. I have a business account (what do you call a business that verges on a non-profit?) that has pennies in it (see above parenthetical expression). It suits the purpose perfectly. I am in the process of verification and thank you all for giving me sensible feedback. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted September 5, 2006 Share #52 Posted September 5, 2006 I am a verified PP member; have moved many tens of thousands of dollars this way without problem. However, recently I paid a photographer in NY over $3,000 USD and (like a poster above) only half the goods turned up. Now he will not answer phone calls or emails... any suggestions other members here can make will be very gratefully received! I am going to try to get the money back via my credit card first, but in the meantime I welcome all ideas. Up until now, I have had no problems with either PP or eBay. I will email a moderator here, too, to see if I can post a "buyers beware" notice to make this guy do the right thing. There is nothing wrong with the PP protocol, though, in my experience so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 5, 2006 Share #53 Posted September 5, 2006 and (like a poster above) only half the goods turned up. Now he will not answer phone calls or emails... any suggestions other members here can make will be very gratefully received!welcome all ideas. Up until now, I have had no problems with either PP or eBay. Indeed, this is first hand proof that paypal is insidious. The element of surprise and then caught! Of course, those who refuse to suspect a head-on collision will never see what comes ahead of themselves. They are comfortable til point of impact when it hits the fan. You may be lucky not to get hit but unfortunately when it does, it isn't pretty you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted September 5, 2006 Share #54 Posted September 5, 2006 I am a verified PP member; have moved many tens of thousands of dollars this way without problem. However, recently I paid a photographer in NY over $3,000 USD and (like a poster above) only half the goods turned up. Now he will not answer phone calls or emails... any suggestions other members here can make will be very gratefully received! I am going to try to get the money back via my credit card first, but in the meantime I welcome all ideas. Up until now, I have had no problems with either PP or eBay. I will email a moderator here, too, to see if I can post a "buyers beware" notice to make this guy do the right thing. There is nothing wrong with the PP protocol, though, in my experience so far. The only time I have had a real problem with Paypal/eBay was (sorry, guys) from a US vendor who didn't send me the goods at all. He said that as it was a bulky and heavy item (it was) it was coming surface mail. That of course put it outside PP/eBay time limits when the stuff did not arrive. He never produced proof of postage. eBay were unable to help but did offer to assist any police enquiry if I wanted to start one. I was recommended from a related forum to contact the US Internet Crime Complaint Service http://www.ic3.gov/ and I would have thought that for that amount of money it might be worth a shot perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 5, 2006 Share #55 Posted September 5, 2006 For ebay, I only use check, money order, or CC over phone. Paypal is mostly out for me... Of course they love those fees you know. People who run businesses don't seem to mind being ripped off I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted September 6, 2006 Share #56 Posted September 6, 2006 Brian, Thank you; submitted all relevant info to that site just now. There may be an innocent explanation for the non-communication (like an accident, or the like) but in the absence of any communication after the first telephone call, one has to suspect the worst. cheers, Kit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorg Posted September 6, 2006 Share #57 Posted September 6, 2006 All of this is serious stuff. People with weak passwords, un-patched machines, etc . . . deserve to have their information compromised . . . period. The internet is a "pit of zombies" these days, not much is going to change that . . . except the end user. In less than 10 minutes, I had an office mates entire family history, mother's maiden name, 4 social security numbers, military history . . . and I am just a mere amateur. Imagine somebody with a litte $$$ and time ! ! ! It's scary, but real . . . Another forum where I was a member was hacked, they were able to obtain the encrypted password file and access member names, addresses, interests . . . and e-mail account information. How many of you use the same password for this site as your e-mail address ??? How many of you have cookies activated so you don't have to enter this mundane information all the time. How many have their primary e-mail address in this forum information file ??? Think about all of this . . . Forum software can be notoriously out-of-date security wise, and are infrequently updated. THIS FORUM is a ripe target for those criminal types, given the quality and expense of Leica gear. Think about this . . . Use the tools that make your life easier with care, and just realize that any competitor to PayPal will not say nice things about them . . . the above links spell this out. Most issues with these large on-line auction vendors and payment conduits are based on information leaks, hacked data . . . and the volume is tremendous. It's not a bright picture, but pretty clear in my eyes. Do yourself a favor and be careful. ~jk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 6, 2006 Share #58 Posted September 6, 2006 Uh... there is no competitor to paypal that has much market share... so basically it's microsoft all over again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share #59 Posted September 6, 2006 Josef, I thank you again for your helpful information on this matter and I agree fully with the need to "be careful out there" (thank you Hill Street Blues). I marvel at the apparent need of others to cause harm and computer harm is expensive to all of us. I have successfully gotten verified and it was painless. Now I can use the same credit card that PayPal would not allow me to use before (these are very strange people). In any case, I feel secure in the way that I implemented it (bank account with little money in it and not attached to my regular account -- not that there's anything of note in that account either ... ) and I can now purchase items via PayPal again -- using a credit card. I also agree with the recommendations above to use a credit card. It is the ONLY payment method where we are protected. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorg Posted September 6, 2006 Share #60 Posted September 6, 2006 I know . . . Being in this field of computer/network security and administration for many years now, I've become fairly jaded with my impression of the current state of affairs. I mean no offense to anyone, but all the members here seem to be decent folks . . . and I would hate to see any of you in such a situation . . . All of that aside, I've just entered the Leica world after having a couple of children (no money), and a previous Nikon F3 user/owner . . . By chance Bill, do you know Clive ??? ~jk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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